Jeremiah Cooper NIL representation

[CascadeClone]

Where I live a HS player did exactly that.

Imagine the day a top recruit demands X playing time for a commitment.

What's so bad about that? To me, it's a LOT less unseemly to demand playing time than cash.

If you are looking for more playing time, that's a legitimate reason to transfer, isn't it? So wouldn't that be part of your search for a new school? Also, you are actually looking to PLAY, and not just looking for a cash bag. I think that is OK.

Maybe the point is the word "demand" - but if you have are wanting 25 carries per game, and the coach NEEDS 25 carries per game, that's a good fit.

 

[CascadeClone]

Scholarships could come with 1 year non compete contracts. My business contract had that poison pill in it

Unenforceable in most states.

The only way to put restrictions on player movements, salaries, et al is collective bargaining. I am all for it at this point. Otherwise Ohio State and others are gonna just buy 2 teams worth of studs (a la Nebraska back in the day) and their already considerable advantages will just become even more out of balance.

 

[ZRF]

You also may have a group of players that came in as freshmen and now one of them gets bumped out of their spot for this new guy with a bag of cash. They want to win, but the chemistry may be off since they are ticked that their buddy is now the back up running back and not the starter his senior year.

Even taking it one step further: what happens when a bunch of guys get bags of cash to switch schools, don't produce/start, then players who are producing want cash (because it's fair) and the entire team dynamics get jacked up? Not even schools like Texas or Ohio State can (likely) have 80 million dollar "payrolls". At some point coaches will contend with it, decide (to a degree) it's not worth it and toxic, and start to avoid some of the mess.

If a player is projected to be drafted and is already NFL caliber it seems to be a big risk jumping schools, losing playing time, and jeopardizing that status (Isheem Young). I do see the allure for a potential "star" QB making the switch as the combination of exposure and access to better talent (receivers) can maximize their own talent, increase stats, and improve draft stock. For a lot of other positions though? The risk is huge, particularly at a big school that brings in (consistent) high level talent.

Basically all a school like Iowa State can do is (continue) to produce draft picks, have success, pay guys (some) money when it's reasonable, and be honest about the risk vs reward a player has (foster trust). Ultimately if immediate money is the motivator you aren't changing their mind.

 

[fsanford]

Unenforceable in most states.

The only way to put restrictions on player movements, salaries, et al is collective bargaining. I am all for it at this point. Otherwise Ohio State and others are gonna just buy 2 teams worth of studs (a la Nebraska back in the day) and their already considerable advantages will just become even more out of balance.

Yes at this point it would be better to pay the players. You wish they would have unionized when they tried several years ago.

You hope the push in Califonia makes them employees happens

 

[Cychl82]

I thought you couldn't use NIL to recruit high school or transfer portal athletes. Eye roll.

Well it was payday today so I just donated another 25 bucks on top of my quarterly. Thats $50 in the last 2 weeks extra thanks to Gunnerclone. Hope it helps Cooper lol

 

[TrailCy]

What's so bad about that?

If you are looking for more playing time, that's a legitimate reason to transfer, isn't it? So wouldn't that be part of your search for a new school? Also, you are actually looking to PLAY, and not just looking for a cash bag. I think that is OK.

Guy on the team is a great culture fit. Huge locker room leader and has the trust of his team. 5 star guy comes in demanding 25 carries per game but is a detriment to the locker room. Who are you playing?
Or let's say the NIL guy doesn't pan out and he's hurting your chances but you agreed to 25 carries per game? Do the boosters get their money back? Are they pressuring the coach to play this guy? What about if you're down by 14 points in the 4th quarter. You're going to run the ball because some some player has a garuntee? I don't think most of these would happen, but with the way players are acting lately, I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually comes up.

 

[CascadeClone]

Guy on the team is a great culture fit. Huge locker room leader and has the trust of his team. 5 star guy comes in demanding 25 carries per game but is a detriment to the locker room. Who are you playing?
Or let's say the NIL guy doesn't pan out and he's hurting your chances but you agreed to 25 carries per game? Do the boosters get their money back? Are they pressuring the coach to play this guy? What about if you're down by 14 points in the 4th quarter. You're going to run the ball because some some player has a garuntee? I don't think most of these would happen, but with the way players are acting lately, I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually comes up.

Yeah that's on the coach - does he want the good dude he knows, or the potential star prima donna? I think I know what CMC would do in that situation.

But at least if he comes in saying "I want the ball" you know what you are getting.

I do hear you, though - the players have a TON of power (probably more than they recognize), now that they can transfer not only with impunity but also getting paid money to do it. Some of them will use that power badly.

 

[isufbcurt]

Guy on the team is a great culture fit. Huge locker room leader and has the trust of his team. 5 star guy comes in demanding 25 carries per game but is a detriment to the locker room. Who are you playing?
Or let's say the NIL guy doesn't pan out and he's hurting your chances but you agreed to 25 carries per game? Do the boosters get their money back? Are they pressuring the coach to play this guy? What about if you're down by 14 points in the 4th quarter. You're going to run the ball because some some player has a garuntee? I don't think most of these would happen, but with the way players are acting lately, I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually comes up.

Good luck to any booster ho thinks they will get their money back

 

[BCClone]

Good luck to any booster ho thinks they will get their money back

Do you get your dance squad NIL money back?

 

[TitanClone]

Where I live a HS player did exactly that.

Imagine the day a top recruit demands X playing time for a commitment.

Small sample size but I can think of 4 kids, not anywhere near D1 or even D2 baseball players who transferred from Lewis Central to AL, TJ and Glenwood while I was in high school strictly because they saw the writing on wall and weren't going to be starters. Heck another who was the best player on the team by a mile when I was a Freshman didn't even play his Senior year. Instead went out to California to play in a more competitive AAU type of league, he was a D1 player though and ended up at Kansas.

Not the same but I don't see a big difference in looking elsewhere because you aren't quite good enough and looking elsewhere because you'll get paid.

 

[Cyrealist]

Yeah that's on the coach - does he want the good dude he knows, or the potential star prima donna? I think I know what CMC would do in that situation.

But at least if he comes in saying "I want the ball" you know what you are getting.

No successful coach would EVER promise playing time, carries, etc. Those things have to be earned even in the pros. The most a coach can promise is a level chance to compete. It would only be fair in a potential transfer to give the kid an opinion how he MIGHT fit into the team and whether he has a realistic chance to earn playing time. But for the most part, you aren't going to recruit a guy who you believe has little chance of playing.

 

[stewart092284]

No successful coach would EVER promise playing time, carries, etc. Those things have to be earned even in the pros. The most a coach can promise is a level chance to compete. It would only be fair in a potential transfer to give the kid an opinion how he MIGHT fit into the team and whether he has a realistic chance to earn playing time. But for the most part, you aren't going to recruit a guy who you believe has little chance of playing.

Oh, buddy. It happens. Trust me, it happens.

You are 100% right. It SHOULDN"T happen.
But does it?
Yes sir.

 

[Aclone]

Gonna go out on a limb and say he’s not going anywhere.

 

[Aclone]

No successful coach would EVER promise playing time, carries, etc. Those things have to be earned even in the pros. The most a coach can promise is a level chance to compete. It would only be fair in a potential transfer to give the kid an opinion how he MIGHT fit into the team and whether he has a realistic chance to earn playing time. But for the most part, you aren't going to recruit a guy who you believe has little chance of playing.

I remember Digger Phelps mentioning that he’d promised a certain player—first round pick by the Bulls, iirc—that he wouldn’t recruit another player at his position until he was done.

(I assume there were upperclassmen at that spot)

Said he’d never make that mistake again.

*And if you don’t think that schools like Alabama and Georgia are overstating players’ chances of starting, you’re not paying attention to how many transfer out after a year or so.

 

[Cyforce]

Guy on the team is a great culture fit. Huge locker room leader and has the trust of his team. 5 star guy comes in demanding 25 carries per game but is a detriment to the locker room. Who are you playing?
Or let's say the NIL guy doesn't pan out and he's hurting your chances but you agreed to 25 carries per game? Do the boosters get their money back? Are they pressuring the coach to play this guy? What about if you're down by 14 points in the 4th quarter. You're going to run the ball because some some player has a garuntee? I don't think most of these would happen, but with the way players are acting lately, I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually comes up.

Here's that conversation.

5* , I'm looking for 25 carriers a game.

Coach, our feature back gets 25/ game. You have the talent to be our feature back. Now go prove I'm right about you.

 

[Mr Janny]

Even taking it one step further: what happens when a bunch of guys get bags of cash to switch schools, don't produce/start, then players who are producing want cash (because it's fair) and the entire team dynamics get jacked up? Not even schools like Texas or Ohio State can (likely) have 80 million dollar "payrolls". At some point coaches will contend with it, decide (to a degree) it's not worth it and toxic, and start to avoid some of the mess.

If a player is projected to be drafted and is already NFL caliber it seems to be a big risk jumping schools, losing playing time, and jeopardizing that status (Isheem Young). I do see the allure for a potential "star" QB making the switch as the combination of exposure and access to better talent (receivers) can maximize their own talent, increase stats, and improve draft stock. For a lot of other positions though? The risk is huge, particularly at a big school that brings in (consistent) high level talent.

Basically all a school like Iowa State can do is (continue) to produce draft picks, have success, pay guys (some) money when it's reasonable, and be honest about the risk vs reward a player has (foster trust). Ultimately if immediate money is the motivator you aren't changing their mind.

That's entirely on the coaching staff. Team makeup and cohesion are something that have to be taken into consideration, and it's always a risk.
What happens if a business hires a brash new salesman, and gives them a great sales territory and a bigger salary than the other sales people already on the team? Potential for problems.
And what if the existing sales people outperform the new guy? Even bigger potential for problems.
Do you give raises to everyone? Can you afford it? How will it affect morale? Will people leave?
These are issues that are managed every single day in the real world. College sports is just finally getting to the party.

 

[Cyrealist]

*And if you don’t think that schools like Alabama and Georgia are overstating players’ chances of starting, you’re not paying attention to how many transfer out after a year or so.

Hard to recruit a kid telling him you see him as a third string backup and a good practice squad guy. On the other hand, you don't really know until you get them on campus.

 

[Cyforce]

Hard to recruit a kid telling him you see him as a third string backup and a good practice squad guy. On the other hand, you don't really know until you get them on campus.

Coaches know how to tell recruits what they want to hear without discussing their status on the depth chart.

 

[dosry5]

No successful coach would EVER promise playing time, carries, etc. Those things have to be earned even in the pros. The most a coach can promise is a level chance to compete. It would only be fair in a potential transfer to give the kid an opinion how he MIGHT fit into the team and whether he has a realistic chance to earn playing time. But for the most part, you aren't going to recruit a guy who you believe has little chance of playing.

Gundy actuallly just told Gottlieb today in an interview that he did just that, promise playing time, and that’s why they sucked at the start of the year because he was fulfilling promises of playing time

 

[HFCS]

Gundy actuallly just told Gottlieb today in an interview that he did just that, promise playing time, and that’s why they sucked at the start of the year because he was fulfilling promises of playing time

That's wild if true.

Hard to criticize with them still having a chance to win conference.