It's amazing how you see this kind of criticism and then you go to the KXNO thread and see nothing but constant ******** because they aren't pumping enough ISU sunshine.
Williams & Blum Pod: Red alert on bowl season, Liberty Bowl thoughts & hoops wrap-up
- Thread starter ChrisMWilliams
- Start date
What kind of post is this? You don't understand the importance and really don't care......................?
Well good thing your thinking is an outlier and a majority do.........or per your post these games will go away. And then a school like ISU will never have the option to "celebrate a good season by playing one more game".
Stop tripping over yourself down playing a s*** show by the ISU football team.
Bowl games are fun, but they are meaningless in terms of being a good measuring stick for a football team. They are a total outlier and are in no way similar to a game during the course of a season. The fact that many players with professional opportunities don't play and piss poor fan attendance reflects that.
It’s the truth. The only bowl games that will matter going forward are those tied to the playoffs. If corporate $$ no longer wants to support these other bowl games, these games will start to be eliminated. Remember, the NCAA doesn’t have anything to do with bowl games; the games are designed to attract $$ to towns and corporations
I still think for programs trying to build or get to the next level bowl games are not meaningless. I think for a program like ISU it's important to get as many wins as possible to get to that next level. Are they the most important game of the year? Probably not but they are far from meaningless. Just my opinion
The Campbell is underpaid argument would be compelling if we weren't getting out coached and out prepared by staffs that make less as a whole than he does. Also a lot of the **** he is below average at is stuff like high level high school coaches and d3 coaches are able to do.
I don't know about that.
I do know that when Campbell was in position to gouge ISU on money he didn't press for it and instead requested more money for staff. I see that as a high character thing to do at a place with more limited resources like ISU.
If you guys actually listened to the podcast, we were complimenting Iowa State's fan base for still caring about games like these. I understand it's a sign of the era in which we live but some of the crap that many of you make up just to be outraged is just exhausting.
we just love this stupid ass team and cyclone fanatic too much. You all give us a lot of entertainment over the year. thanks
We can argue about the amount of money coaches make, but Campbell is underpaid based on the market.
well losing to 2 G5 teams should keep it that way
And 6 winning conference records in 8 seasons should get him a raise.
Evidently— still caring= behind the times.
He’s not underpaid. This program would rank under his tenure around 45-50 nationally. If he’s payed 47th, that’s right in line with results.
In the end, winning or losing is not that big of a deal. But that is a bad proposition for ESPN that is in the business of hyping the bowls and promoting certain conferences.
But I feel a team playing well in a bowl game goes a long way in keeping a fan base optimistic going into the off-season. As far as the Clones go, Memphis coaches reinforced what Matt Campbell & staff need to focus on in off-season:
- O-line
- Better play from front 6 on defense (stop run & pressure QB)
But in most cases, it's whose missing. Tough to beat a top 10 team with your 3rd string QB.
I'll retract from saying they're all-out meaningless. There's money involved and the team benefits from practices, etc.
I think they're overvalued as a predictor or 'springboard' for the program into the next season. There's just so much that goes into a different season 8 months later.
I would think Campbell's record over last 8 years is higher than 45-50 nationally among P5 programs.
How about looking at Matt Campbell's Big12 winning percentage vs. McCarney, Chizek or Rhoads.
McCarney: 27-68 (.284)
Chizek: 2-14 (.125)
Rhoads: 16-45 (.262)
Campbell: 38-34 (.528)
Sure ISU fans should want the Clones to take the next step. But to minimize what Campbell has done at Iowa State is not knowing or ignoring our football history. Here's a stat for you. After 72 Big12 games, if Campbell had McCarney's .284 win percentage, Campbell would only have 21 Big12 wins!! I'd say Campbell has set the standard, by far, for ISU Coaches.
BTW, Johnny Majors was 9-25-1 and Earl Bruce was 18-24 in Big8 play.
Agree completely here and thanks for the compelling discussion during the podcast. There is not much you can do about dealing with the lunatic fringe here on CF or on X.
A couple of points re' the podcast. One is your discussion re' the DL. Everyone can agree that the DL lacks a Will McD to generate a consistent pass rush from a 3 man front but the DL did their job for the most part this season which is stuff the run and enable the LBs to make plays out of the 3-3-5. That said, I look for Snyder, Ezeogo and Same to help improve the DE pass rush next season but Heacock/Viedt have got to improve the scheme and technique of the LBs as well in pass rush situations. IMO, that was a bigger problem than the DL personnel. And I that get outside of Vaughn, the LBs that got most of the snaps were all FR and Sophs so all of those returning guys (Bacon, Ebel, McLaughlin, Willich, Sadowsky) who got significant snaps this season will get better.
Regarding bowls, one no brainer fix to make at least 7 of them more compelling is to have a separate 8 team G5 playoff. It is absolutely pathetic that G5 programs currently don't have a legitimate path to compete for a national championship (even in an expanded CFP) and I strongly believe that an 8 team playoff strategically staged at 7 different regional bowl venues would be a hit both on the field and on TV.
