Williams & Blum Pod: Red alert on bowl season, Liberty Bowl thoughts & hoops wrap-up

[Messi]

Someone said earlier in the thread so you are fine with the bowls going away and when the season is over there’s no chance for that extra game? To which I say yep, just like any other sport. You either make the playoffs to play for a championship or you don’t.

difference is CFB has lowest % of teams making playoffs

cfb: 12/128 = 9.37
cbb: 68/351 = 19.37
mlb = 12/30 = 40
nfl = 14/32 = 43.75
nba = 16/32 = 50
nhl = 16/32 = 50

 

[Big_Sill]

no, coaching is the end all be all.....yes having talented players helps but we have increased our talent level since CMC first arrived here but still struggle with the same problems....it all falls back on coaching

I was talking about opt outs and the general state of college football postseason. Did you reply to the wrong post?

 

[nrg4isu]

Former players have said on podcasts, sports talk radio and tv the extra practices thing is really overblown.

I was nodding along in agreement until I got to this part. Everything I've heard is the opposite.

My glass half full take is that ISU used the entire bowl season to practice ISU stuff and didn't really do much to specifically prepare for Memphis.

I think bowl practices are important. The game is the cherry on the top. And yes, positive outcome would have lent itself towards positive off-season. But this outcome (mixed) can do just as well. Both lines have got to be motivated to improve right? QB and WR have to feel pretty good about their abilities.

 

[BryceC]

Because our fan base does need to catch up with the times. Like it or not a portion of our fanbase, as shown by these past few days, still are stuck in the old days where the giant hoodwink of bowl games that aren’t tied to the national championship matter. They never have mattered and the bowl industry has played us for fools for decades. Players and many have caught onto it in the last ten years thank God.

Someone said earlier in the thread so you are fine with the bowls going away and when the season is over there’s no chance for that extra game? To which I say yep, just like any other sport. You either make the playoffs to play for a championship or you don’t.

Well trust me I’ve learned my lesson, I definitely won’t be going to these unless it’s at a destination I really want to go to.

 

[NWICY]

I just looked it up and Campbell is the 47th highest paid coach in college football.

Source: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/coach

That seems ok for the results he gets, I don't think he really needs any giant raise or anything.

 

[CycloneBamaFan]

I did not like William's comments about the portal and that an OL would cost "six figures" so Iowa State was not likely in the running for any good lineman talent. That was a very defeatist and negative comment. I would hope Campbell would have some leverage now to start getting some higher rated talent in Ames! We should use the current NFL connections (Purdy, Lazard, etc.) and get more higher end commitments to the Cyclones.

 

[Cycsk]

we just love this stupid ass team and cyclone fanatic too much. You all give us a lot of entertainment over the year. thanks

This was my first purchase from the Cyclone Fanatic Store.

 

[Messi]

I did not like William's comments about the portal and that an OL would cost "six figures" so Iowa State was not likely in the running for any good lineman talent. That was a very defeatist and negative comment. I would hope Campbell would have some leverage now to start getting some higher rated talent in Ames! We should use the current NFL connections (Purdy, Lazard, etc.) and get more higher end commitments to the Cyclones.

having a budget is defeatist attitude?

 

[Jer]

I did not like William's comments about the portal and that an OL would cost "six figures" so Iowa State was not likely in the running for any good lineman talent. That was a very defeatist and negative comment. I would hope Campbell would have some leverage now to start getting some higher rated talent in Ames! We should use the current NFL connections (Purdy, Lazard, etc.) and get more higher end commitments to the Cyclones.

I didn’t listen so don’t have all the context. But, the unfortunate reality is that the areas we always need the most help are the same positions the top teams or NIL players are going after. QB is most expensive, OL is second, WR and LB are up there.

I hate to say it, but we’re just not competitive at all for anybody that’s going to be an upgrade. We’re more often competing with North Dakota than even Wisconsin when it comes to the Portal. We don’t get enough funds to adequately pay to retain guys, and that leaves virtually nothing for acquisitions.

 

[NWICY]

And 6 winning conference records in 8 seasons should get him a raise.

He got a raise 2 yrs ago didn't he? My question would be why does he need one now.

 

[Messi]

He got a raise 2 yrs ago didn't he? My question would be why does he need one now.

ADs love to bid against themself

 

[Gary_ISU]

Because our fan base does need to catch up with the times. Like it or not a portion of our fanbase, as shown by these past few days, still are stuck in the old days where the giant hoodwink of bowl games that aren’t tied to the national championship matter. They never have mattered and the bowl industry has played us for fools for decades. Players and many have caught onto it in the last ten years thank God.

Someone said earlier in the thread so you are fine with the bowls going away and when the season is over there’s no chance for that extra game? To which I say yep, just like any other sport. You either make the playoffs to play for a championship or you don’t.

For me, how absolutely poorly we played and how unprepared we are is what matters. The reason it matters to me is because that game reminded me of other games this season and past seasons. I hate watching us lay an egg regardless of if it is a bowl game or regular season game.

I am not disagreeing that the bowl system is broken. I do wonder for most teams that will never be in the final 12 what the difference will be between 5–7, 6-6 or 7-5 if there is no bowl or playoff. A bowl has long been a reward for a good season. I fully understand that is not the case anymore. I think long term lack of a meaningful bowl system will be bad for college football.

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

Chris, I love you man but I think you’re wrong here and you know it.

By everything you’ve said on this pod you think these games matter less than Big 12 games. And you aren’t going to every Big 12 road game.

It’s okay for fans to be pissed at a terrible effort when the admin keeps telling us to buy tickets to this stuff.

This is easy.

Because bowl games are events. Thousands of Iowa State fans are there for multiple days and we are there to cover it. Not the case for conference road games. Also, had this game taken place ANYWHERE other than Memphis, we would have staffed it with one person. Since you asked, the reason we took a large staff down was because since COVID, we haven't had a staff holiday party. I got us a big Air BNB to do a team building event for a few days while covering the bowl and we all got down there cheaply. And we had a huge event that raised thousands of dollars for We Will and Living Ava's Way (charity to help families dealing with pediatric cancer). That could never happen on a random October Saturday in Stillwater.

 

[AuH2O]

I did not like William's comments about the portal and that an OL would cost "six figures" so Iowa State was not likely in the running for any good lineman talent. That was a very defeatist and negative comment. I would hope Campbell would have some leverage now to start getting some higher rated talent in Ames! We should use the current NFL connections (Purdy, Lazard, etc.) and get more higher end commitments to the Cyclones.

I think the point @brentblum and @ChrisMWilliams are making is pretty logical. We’ve got limited resources. It typically costs less to retain a guy than go out into the “open market” and compete with teams to get a guy in the portal. For now it looks like ISU is going to retain all starters other than seniors. So I think until we get more $ this is the mose efficient use of resources. Maybe there could be a couple portal targets, but NIL focus on retention seems like ISUs best bet.

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

I did not like William's comments about the portal and that an OL would cost "six figures" so Iowa State was not likely in the running for any good lineman talent. That was a very defeatist and negative comment. I would hope Campbell would have some leverage now to start getting some higher rated talent in Ames! We should use the current NFL connections (Purdy, Lazard, etc.) and get more higher end commitments to the Cyclones.

You can not like it but I am telling you the truth about the nature of the portal, NiL and Iowa State's current position. They aren't going to be able to afford to go out and buy an immediate starter at tackle. I think they will try to add linemen but I don't think ISU should rely on them being maulers next season. Just doesn't seem realistic.

 

[CloniesForLife]

I did not like William's comments about the portal and that an OL would cost "six figures" so Iowa State was not likely in the running for any good lineman talent. That was a very defeatist and negative comment. I would hope Campbell would have some leverage now to start getting some higher rated talent in Ames! We should use the current NFL connections (Purdy, Lazard, etc.) and get more higher end commitments to the Cyclones.

There is only so much money. We aren't spending it to pull one player out of the portal when we have lots of young guys the staff wants to keep. Our NFL talent is nice to point to and should help recruiting but it isn't anything that special at this point

 

[istater7]

Hopefully there’s actual changes to the CFB postseason soon so we don’t have to hear more of the continuous discussion about how NIL/transfer portal/realignment/etc has changed the sport. We get it. Let’s talk actual ball.

Major conference basketball slate ahead, would like to have a bit of a summary of what to expect from conference foes/what they’ve all done in non-conference.

 

[SwirlyBird]

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This was my first purchase from the Cyclone Fanatic Store.

Looks like a Facebook post and old lady would make

 

[Gunnerclone]

I personally don’t understand the importance of winning or losing a mid tier bowl game. Minnesota beat Bowling Green in the Quick Lane Bowl. Is that significant? If they lost, does that mean the program is destined to be a failure next year as well?

I view non NY6 games as a way to celebrate a good season by playing one more game where players can spend a few days before the game having fun in the host city. NY6 games will be the only games that truly matter starting next season. The only reason these non NY6 games exist is because they generate money. If these games no longer become profitable, the non NY6 games will eventually fold. There have been quite a few bowl games that have ceased to exist over the years for this very reason.

For these reasons, I really don’t care about non NY6 games and the winning/losing team from those games. Just my opinion; I respect others who feel differently

It’s not about winning or losing a mid tier bowl game imo. It’s about losing to a G5. Minnesota beating a G5 team isn’t significant, but losing to a G5 team would have been.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Looks like a Facebook post and old lady would make

“Thank you for your purchase from my aunt’s Etsy shop. Make sure to check out the new customizable cricut bachelorette party knock off Stanley mugs.”