Williams & Blum Pod: Red alert on bowl season, Liberty Bowl thoughts & hoops wrap-up

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I listened to the podcast and it was a bit all over the place. You would be critical of ISU but then make excuses. You would compliment ISU fans but then say we need to catch up with the times.

The one comment you made that did resonate with me was about how Campbell has a tendency to over value what they have up front. He went into that game convinced he could get pressure rushing 3 and convinced he could run the ball. He was completely wrong with both approaches which got us down 19-0 and game over.

I believe Campbell consistently overestimates his team’s ability to simply impose their will against opponents. Campbell believes he can beat Iowa playing Kirk’s game. He believes he can physically dominate non-P5 opponents. KU game this year was a classic example of coming into the game with a plan that simply had no chance at succeeding.

I think we could go 9-3 next year but will likely be 7-5 because there will be at least 2 Memphis, Iowa, Ohio and KU games where Campbell completely overestimates what his team can do and is too stubborn to change before we get into a hole.
It's the Mt. Union Way.

Just gotta execute better!
 

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Memphis or Ames, the game was lost the minute the coaching staff sat on their ass for 30 days and didn't adjust their game plan for anything
Imagine going against a former multi-year player and assistant coach and being as predictable as ever against them.

Now imagine defending that, when the person that made that decision gets $4 million per year.

Appalling.
 

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Even if you thought this was a real game going into it, I think many would have changed their mind as they saw the way it was broadcast. It did not feel like a real game.
What about the broadcast made it feel different than any other game? And what does that have to with how the team played?
 

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We cover Iowa State. That's what we do. We "wasted" money to cover an 0-18 Prohm team play in the Big 12 tournament. Because we cover Iowa State for all of you guys. That's our job and why we exist.
I think we can all agree covering that team was indeed a complete waste of time. :D:p
 

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For me, how absolutely poorly we played and how unprepared we are is what matters. The reason it matters to me is because that game reminded me of other games this season and past seasons. I hate watching us lay an egg regardless of if it is a bowl game or regular season game.

I am not disagreeing that the bowl system is broken. I do wonder for most teams that will never be in the final 12 what the difference will be between 5–7, 6-6 or 7-5 if there is no bowl or playoff. A bowl has long been a reward for a good season. I fully understand that is not the case anymore. I think long term lack of a meaningful bowl system will be bad for college football.
This is exactly right. The harsh reaction from ISU fans was due to the performance, not the stakes.

CW was telling all of us it was going to be a real bowl game that mattered to the team and program. But as soon as we look like ****, it changes to “ISU fans are behind the times” in caring about bowl games. It wasn’t the bowl game. It was the looking like **** against Memphis in the same way we looked like **** against Ohio.

It was a podcast episode full of excuses, that’s all. It’s still the best ISU pod and one I’ll listen to regularly.
 

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What about the broadcast made it feel different than any other game? And what does that have to with how the team played?
It just felt contrived in my opinion. I felt like I was watching something ESPN was trying to put on to make money…but also at the same time not pay a lot to do it. It wasn’t altogether different from some of the low budget broadcasts we see (especially for basketball), but there was fake enthusiasm that didn’t match what I saw in the field. It didn’t feel like it meant as much as they and the 3 or 4 main sponsors would have liked you to believe it did.
 

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Hopefully there’s actual changes to the CFB postseason soon so we don’t have to hear more of the continuous discussion about how NIL/transfer portal/realignment/etc has changed the sport. We get it. Let’s talk actual ball.

Major conference basketball slate ahead, would like to have a bit of a summary of what to expect from conference foes/what they’ve all done in non-conference.
I think it’s possible any changes will simply confirm the exhibition status of these lower bowls. When all of the truly best teams have an honest shot at the championship, what reason is there to watch these lower bowls? If they still exist, it has to be truly clear that it’s for the fans to have an opportunity to travel and see their team play once more. But I think they may have to pay the players to get them to show up for these. And I don’t see that happening for some of these bowls that only cost $500,000 for sponsorship.

Bottom line - we may be nearing the end of the current format.
 

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I think it’s possible any changes will simply confirm the exhibition status of these lower bowls. When all of the truly best teams have an honest shot at the championship, what reason is there to watch these lower bowls? If they still exist, it has to be truly clear that it’s for the fans to have an opportunity to travel and see their team play once more. But I think they may have to pay the players to get them to show up for these. And I don’t see that happening for some of these bowls that only cost $500,000 for sponsorship.

Bottom line - we may be nearing the end of the current format.
I just wonder how many fans are going to want to spend all the cash to travel to these games if the team is going to go out there and look like they just don't give a ****. Losing a bowl game is one thing, but watching a team look uninterested and unprepared is another.

If I wanted to take a little vacation just to vacation it isn't Memphis in December. The game is the center of these things. So if the team isn't going to make a true effort, I'll take my travel plans to somewhere I actually want to go.
 
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Why don't coaches require scholarship players to play?

"We're giving you $X and the expectation is you play in all games."

Write language into the scholarship players are required to suit up.
 
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This bowl was hyped big time by CW, Blum, Pollard, and many others because it was going to be one of the only bowls where both teams were basically intact (hardly no opt outs, etc). And it could be a big springboard into next season, etc, etc.

And then we got our a**es handed to us... and all of the sudden the fans put WAY too much importance on this meaningless game.

Is there any podcast, or coverage out there that doesn't just pump sunshine into this program all the time because it's in their best interest to do so?

I do think CF, and Iowa Everywhere, do a great job at what they do, and I enjoy all the coverage and listening to it. I just wish the coverage was a lot more honest... but I get it... they HAVE to do that or they get no access, inside info, interviews, etc. I know they say they don't, but it's very obvious that is the case.
All so funny. Hype is marketing. Why? $$$ Whoever thinks it's anything else is only fooling themselves. Expectations are marketing. Why? Cause it sells. Those who get too caught up in it have only mismanaged their own expectations. And, of course, in today's world we then blame everyone else. Like my wife said, "Bowl games are that simple nudge to travel and do something different." For my part, I look at the whole thing as "great experience for the players" and "an opportunity for that extra set of practices"
 

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The Campbell is underpaid argument would be compelling if we weren't getting out coached and out prepared by staffs that make less as a whole than he does. Also a lot of the **** he is below average at is stuff like high level high school coaches and d3 coaches are able to do.
Interesting claim. Just curious as a self proclaimed non-expert, what are your credentials for understanding the ins and outs of football? For that matter, I'd have a ton more respect for a big bulk of the posters if I knew their 'expertise' level. Otherwise, I pretty much see them as background noise.
As an athlete who performed at the collegiate and semi-professional level (not in football), I can only comment on the psychology of competition. I know players can be overcoached, undercoached, out-prepared, and under-prepared. BUT, I can't and won't make a claim for how those factor in a sport in which I didn't compete at that level and for which I was no better if I did.
 
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I listened to the podcast and it was a bit all over the place. You would be critical of ISU but then make excuses. You would compliment ISU fans but then say we need to catch up with the times.

The one comment you made that did resonate with me was about how Campbell has a tendency to over value what they have up front. He went into that game convinced he could get pressure rushing 3 and convinced he could run the ball. He was completely wrong with both approaches which got us down 19-0 and game over.

I believe Campbell consistently overestimates his team’s ability to simply impose their will against opponents. Campbell believes he can beat Iowa playing Kirk’s game. He believes he can physically dominate non-P5 opponents. KU game this year was a classic example of coming into the game with a plan that simply had no chance at succeeding.

I think we could go 9-3 next year but will likely be 7-5 because there will be at least 2 Memphis, Iowa, Ohio and KU games where Campbell completely overestimates what his team can do and is too stubborn to change before we get into a hole.
What bothers me about this post it that you place yourself in Campbell's head. How the heck do you know what he thinks? For example maybe, JUST maybe, he's playing 'gap' defense up front because of personnel. Or, maybe, JUST maybe, Kirk's game is the best strategy to win a particular game. Heck I don't know. But, more importantly, how do you know?
 
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Chris, I love you man but I think you’re wrong here and you know it.

By everything you’ve said on this pod you think these games matter less than Big 12 games. And you aren’t going to every Big 12 road game.

It’s okay for fans to be pissed at a terrible effort when the admin keeps telling us to buy tickets to this stuff.
Sorry, but that's simply not accepting responsibility for your own actions. Don't blame someone else. You bought into it. Was I disappointed? Yes. But, it's only childish to blame someone else for you mismanaging your own expectations.
 
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You can not like it but I am telling you the truth about the nature of the portal, NiL and Iowa State's current position. They aren't going to be able to afford to go out and buy an immediate starter at tackle. I think they will try to add linemen but I don't think ISU should rely on them being maulers next season. Just doesn't seem realistic.
I heard Ole Miss has 14 mil for NIL. Isn't Mississippi a low population poor state? How do they pull that off?
 
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I heard Ole Miss has 14 mil for NIL. Isn't Mississippi a low population poor state? How do they pull that off?

out of state kids from the north love applying to southern schools