*** Official #7 Kansas vs #23 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[MeanDean]

Everyone enjoy the win? Good because it's time for your morning piss in your Cheerios time.

We shot out of gourds last night. Nearly 50% at high volume. Our average is 36% if we shot out normal average it would be 9pts less which is significant.

I'm not counting that last 3 made by KU since it wasn't contested and the game was already decided. In my mind the margin was 7pts. So on a normal night of shooting the game would have much closer and we probably would been down at the last couple of possessions. We might have still won but odds are we would have lost.

The concerning part is our defense continues to break down in the late stages of games. KU has the best starting 5 offensively in this league and Self makes the best adjustments. So we can't expect our defense to always get stops on teams like that but it's starting to become a trend.

Aside from our out the norm 3pt shooting and an amazing individual performance from King we probably lose this game.

If we're doing averages... Now do one where we're shooting our average percentage at the FT line and the foul count for KU is the same as ours (which itself is being generous - being the home team and all).

 

[bosco]

If we're doing averages... Now do one where we're shooting our average percentage at the FT line and the foul count for KU is the same as ours (which itself is being generous - being the home team and all).

I don't want to look at it FT%. It's bad. It's too be expected that KU gets the ref boost. According to Torvik we were projected to win by 7 and Vegas had it at around 4 so they may even put it in the point spread.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Just like No-Chin Sears to lead sports with Drake/UNI. Surprised Mr. Foldback Teeth with the pistol grip ears didn’t lead with Iowa’s huge road win at a below average Michigan team.

Well, Drake is Des Moines' Home Town Team.

Seriously, why watch those other station clowns? KCCI gives the best coverage of ISU sports IMO. Last night, the order was KU @ ISU Men (intro to the News and intro to Sports), UNI @ Drake Men (good game), Nebraska @ Iowa Women (Iowa is a WBB school), Iowa @ Michigan Men (they worked it in) and ISU @ WVU women (probably would have been higher with a W). Also, in between the News and Sports, the weather guy was wearing his Cardinal and Gold ISU tie.

Let's Go St8!

 

[bosco]

Did the team shoot better yesterday?

From 3 yes. From 2 right around our average. We did hold KU to 50% from 2 which is less than their average and they are a very good offensive team so that's probably decent.

 

[MeanDean]

I don't want to look at it FT%. It's bad. It's too be expected that KU gets the ref boost. According to Torvik we were projected to win by 7 and Vegas had it at around 4 so they may even put it in the point spread.

So you only want to look for ways to negate ISU accomplishments when they perform above their average. But when they perform below their average - that's just the way the world is.

Got it.

 

[riceville98]

Yes. Not sure why we didn’t have Momcilovic shoot the technical shots.

I agree but, maybe didn't want to put a freshman in that situation? I would have had MOM shoot them.

 

[bosco]

Have you ever watched a season of basketball? All this **** ebbs and flows. We also missed a **** load of FTs and had some really bad turnovers. No game goes exactly as expected and every team wins games throughout the year doing things out of the ordinary

But to ask this team to do things out the ordinary every game is not a basis to win consistently. We were supposed to win that game by 7 points. So we shouldn't have had to do anything out of the ordinary to win. It's great that we did but it's a little concerning.

 

[madguy30]

But to ask this team to do things out the ordinary every game is not a basis to win consistently. We were supposed to win that game by 7 points. So we shouldn't have had to do anything out of the ordinary to win. It's great that we did but it's a little concerning.

Concerning for what, exactly?

 

[bosco]

So you only want to look for ways to negate ISU accomplishments when they perform above their average. But when they perform below their average - that's just the way the world is.

Got it.

I did point out that did do an ok job on defending the 2. So I'm not negating their accomplishments.

 

[CloniesForLife]

But to ask this team to do things out the ordinary every game is not a basis to win consistently. We were supposed to win that game by 7 points. So we shouldn't have had to do anything out of the ordinary to win. It's great that we did but it's a little concerning.

But I don't expect them to shoot out of the ordinary every game. Some games they are going to play defense out of the ordinary or do something else out of the ordinary. Winning that way yesterday was awesome because it proved we can win in multiple ways. We grinded out a low possession game not shooting well against Houston and now we've won a higher possession game shooting well against KU. Being able to win multiple ways is huge in March

 

[bosco]

Concerning for what, exactly?

Future success.

 

[bosco]

But I don't expect them to shoot out of the ordinary every game. Some games they are going to play defense out of the ordinary or do something else out of the ordinary. Winning that way yesterday was awesome because it proved we can win in multiple ways. We grinded out a low possession game not shooting well against Houston and now we've won a higher possession game shooting well against KU. Being able to win multiple ways is huge in March

Agree.

 

[bosco]

I don't mean to sound condescending here, not directing this at anyone in particular, just a perspective motivated by "we shot well":

I often see folks stating or insinuating that good three point shooting in a particular game is largely up to luck. There's a component of that for sure, it's a high-risk / high-reward shot, but it's also one of the most well-practiced and designed-for elements of modern offenses, and skills for players with pro aspirations, you're not getting a spot on most pro teams and most levels if you can't hit an open three at least.

We shot well yesterday because yes a bit of luck but also because KU deliberately gave that shot up to Tre King. They also deliberately put a slower, less athletic defender on Keshon and gave up those shots to him.

Similarly, teams shoot and make a lot of threes against us, often above their averages. That's by design, our defense takes away basically everything else from most teams and while TJ's defense is super-effective, the book on how to beat it is open: the trap/double is coming, don't panic, swing the ball or get it cross-court and you can get a lot of good looks for three.

Man it would be awesome if King can be that type of weapon.

 

[madguy30]

Future success.

What does success look like to you?

 

[AlaCyclone]

Any body else catch Bill Self doing the the three finger thing after King made his fourth three? That made me laugh.

 

[bosco]

What does success look like to you?

Sweet 16

 

[ForeverIowan]

We won't be #13, jumping up up 10 spots is huge and we were favored in this game.

We are #10 in NET and #12 in KenPom. We beat Kansas State and #7 Kansas. The CBS game carries a lot of notoriety around the nation as well. Ill put my money on #13 or #12 in the AP poll come Monday. A LOT of teams in the top 25 lost this week.

 

[madguy30]

Sweet 16

But you're concerned that they won so how are they going to get there?

What if a player goes above their average to make that happen? Bad?

 

[rosshm16]

Playing to the level of your competition is also a real thing that happens. You don't have to take as many high-risk shots to beat basement-dwellers like OSU and the Mildcats.

 

[ForeverIowan]

I found it interesting that Bill Self pretty much said this team doesn't have the talent of the Niang, Morris, Nader, Naz, Thomas team and pretty much insinuated it is more scheme from TJ generating the success. Post that quote up on the bulletin board.