Herbert has unbelievable natural talent. I don’t think he’s had the benefit of being in a good environment with a competent coaching staff. Now that they have an adult in the room in Harbaugh, I’m interested to see if he’s the real deal.
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It's only his 2nd season and he plays on a loaded roster of talent so I have a hard time narrowing down where to rank him. I think Mahomes Allen Burrow and Lamar are top 5 without debate. Talent wise Herbert is right there too but his team stinks right now. Stafford has been hurt a lot lately, I view him more towards the lower end of the top 10 at this point. Dak and Cousins are good regular season QB but have had their share of choke jobs in the playoffs so they are guys I have a hard time putting in a top 5 lineup too as I don't view them as elite QB. Tua and Lawrence are still pretty young but have had some success.
If Brock wins the SB this year I probably have him in that 5-7 range for top QB in the league at the moment but regardless he's definitely in the top 10 as he's already surpassed the playoff success in just 2 years that some of those guys listed haven't done in quite a few more appearances.
Just going to take a shot at a rough categorization of the QBs right now without putting an actual ranking number to each guy.
Tier 1 : Mahomes is in a tier of his own
Tier 2: Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Hurts
Tier 3: Purdy, Dak, Herbert, Tua, Lawrence
Tier 4: Cousins, Stroud, Stafford, Goff
Stroud is a guy I think is one to watch as could see him moving up the ranks quickly. Crazy to think Goff is back in the conversation as one of the better QBs in the league as most have written him off but Campbell and his staff have done a nice job of building him back up from his rough ending with the Rams.
The only guy they put ahead of Brock that I'd take issue with is Dak. And Dak is more talented, he just always crashes in the playoffs.
didn't he have the highest passer rating? Isn't he in the Super Bowl? top 12-15? Um. No. Top 5? For sure. MVP maybe. Where does top 12-15 come from?
If you don't have Purdy in at least a high tier 2, you don't really know much about football. He's a dude. I didn't think it was possible two years ago, but it happened.
So you think Brock is comparable to Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and only Mahomes is inarguably better?
Yes. Pretty much. Listen to his teammates. If Purdy really was an average QB they wouldn't be going to bat for him as hard as they are. He's really really good. All around. Just because he isn't as fast or tall as Allen or Jackson doesn't mean he's not as good all around. Brock leads that locker room and they follow. He's tough as nails and he's cold blooded on the field. He sees a lot of little things on the field that most QB's don't. Especially guys like Dak, Hurts, Allen and Lamar. Plus, he had freaking Tommy John surgery after last season. Didn't seem to phase him. Probably playing in his second straight Super Bowl in his first two seasons if he doesn't get injured.
No one said he is average. Being a top 8-10 qb in the world is not average. He’s really good but just because his teammates go to bat for him doesn’t make him top 3 in the league. He’s started 1 1/2 seasons and at this trajectory he is on pace to be in that top 5 tier but at the moment he’s somewhere between 8-10 in my opinion.
Anyone talking about Joe Burrow can take that somewhere else. Glass Joe. You shouldn’t be in the convo of elite QBs if you don’t play very much and when you do play people are worried (and with reason) that he will get injured in warm ups.
He’s played 2 seasons where he started every game and went to the Super Bowl and AFC Championship in those seasons.i heard that’s good.
In his rookie year he got his knee blown up on a low hit and this year yes he was injured. Yet he still played in 10 games even in his injured years. How does he not play much?
Honestly right now if I have to win one game and they are healthy, if I can’t have Mahomes give me Burrow.
Glass? He played in 16 games each the prior 2 seasons, 10 his rookie year and even playing hurt this year he still played in 10 games. Played in 7 playoff games combined in 2021 and 2022. He had to have surgery on his throwing wrist, he's hardly been glass leading up to that.
Look I'm a big fan of Purdy and outside of the Chiefs who I have been a fan of forever our household basically has the 49ers as our second favorite team right now. That being said I'm looking at this with an unbiased eye as you are talking about a group of QB's there that have been in the league a lot longer than Brock has and have far more accomplishments so far. He's on the edge of the 2nd tier and a SB win probably puts him in that category for me but his body of work just isn't as experienced as those other guys yet so that's the main reason I put him in that 3rd tier. It's just my opinion. To say I "don't really know much about football" is just a lame attempt by you to discredit an opinion you don't agree with.
It seems like you know your NFL. I want to argue with you but I know I'm biased and I know I really don't know WTF i'm talking about. From the limited NFL I have watched and many of his games in college I don't see how Hurts is any better (I think Purdy's instincts escaping/extending plays are much closer to Mahomes than they are to Hurts). The other four I do see some things you're talking about.
With our other superstar Tyrese he genuinely is the best playmaking point guard with clear separation (not talking about small shooting guards like Steph). It drops down to guys like Fred VanVleet, Lamelo Ball and Cade Cunningham after him. If you're looking for a Magic Johnson or Steve Nash superstar passing guard he is it. If you tiered him out with all positions I'd go
Tier 1: Jokic is tier of his own, only player I've ever seen get boring average effort triple doubles
Tier 2: Embiid, Gianis
Tier 3: Luka, Steph, maaaaaybe Hailburton (notice those are the first Americans)
Tier 4: about 12 players and Haliburton is in there for sure
Who knew that listening to dolphin sex wouldn’t magically cure his Achilles in a couple of months?
Missing almost an entire season’s worth of games in your first four years is pretty poor for a QB. Is any other top QB close to that record?
