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The regular season at that point would mean nothing then and ratings would take a serious hit over time. Also when you expand the field that much it just makes making the playoff mean significantly less.
Maybe, but then you're adding a bunch of games that would get huge ratings...
 
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The regular season at that point would mean nothing then and ratings would take a serious hit over time. Also when you expand the field that much it just makes making the playoff mean significantly less.
I wouldn’t do 24 teams, but if you do 16 teams and every conference has an automatic bid, that’s only 6 at large bids. That doesn’t make the regular season meaningless.
 

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Maybe, but then you're adding a bunch of games that would get huge ratings...
Would depend on the matchup and structure. Michigan obliterating SMU, Iowa, or NCST isn’t going to be a huge draw for the same reason it isn’t a huge draw during the regular season.

Also at that size it means that around 12 teams would get in every year no matter what. That makes for a super boring regular season with very low stakes.
 

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I wouldn’t do 24 teams, but if you do 16 teams and every conference has an automatic bid, that’s only 6 at large bids. That doesn’t make the regular season meaningless.
There are only 4 conferences so that would be 12 at large. If you think for a second more then 1 G5 team is ever getting in then we’re just in two different places. I don’t need to see 40 point blow outs in half the games and very few people want to watch that.
 
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How much does the regular season mean when you're not included in the playoff?
It literally means everything - there isn't anything else.

As a child of the 80s, I remember when there was no playoff. It was just the AP, UPI, and maybe the coaches poll that determined who was "champ". If you were lucky, the #1 and #2 would get paired in a bowl game but it didn't always happen that way.
 

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There are only 4 conferences so that would be 12 at large. If you think for a second more then 1 G5 team is ever getting in then we’re just in two different places. I don’t need to see 40 point blow outs in half the games and very few people want to watch that.
No, I don’t think they are now, but I think that’s how it should be set up.

Every team should have a chance, and it makes the regular season more meaningful.

And it’s not like the current system is good at preventing blowouts. Almost a fourth of all playoff games so far have ended with a margin of victory of more than 28 points.
 

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It literally means everything - there isn't anything else.

As a child of the 80s, I remember when there was no playoff. It was just the AP, UPI, and maybe the coaches poll that determined who was "champ". If you were lucky, the #1 and #2 would get paired in a bowl game but it didn't always happen that way.
And not even having a chance at it sucked. At least with an expanded playoff, that dream is alive for most programs.
 

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And not even having a chance at it sucked. At least with an expanded playoff, that dream is alive for most programs.
It’s not a dream anymore when that many get in. It’s like how getting into bowls now doesn’t really matter. When you open up the field that far it means less.

You realize that being in the Big12 you can get into the playoffs right? There is no reason to think ISU couldn’t make it this year.
 
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No, I don’t think they are now, but I think that’s how it should be set up.

Every team should have a chance, and it makes the regular season more meaningful.

And it’s not like the current system is good at preventing blowouts. Almost a fourth of all playoff games so far have ended with a margin of victory of more than 28 points.
Every team in a power conference does have a chance. Win your championship and you’re in. G5 teams are trash compared to good P4 teams, they don’t deserve any more then 1 autobid
 

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I wouldn’t do 24 teams, but if you do 16 teams and every conference has an automatic bid, that’s only 6 at large bids. That doesn’t make the regular season meaningless.

16 teams with just the straight top 16 could result in some elite programs mailing it in and still making it.

12 with the auto bids just barely ensures keeping the "every game counts" aspect that makes college football better than any other sport I've ever followed.

I'd have always just had an 8 team playoff way back when there were six major conferences and just had two at large bids, with one of them guaranteed to a top 16 non-AQ conference. If we had that way back when maybe we'd still have conferences that make sense.
 

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How long until you say “big 12 teams are trash and don’t deserve any more than 1 autobid?”
Don’t think I’ve ever come close to that sentiment, pretty sure I just watched TCU beat Michigan last season. Comparing the Big12 to G5 isn’t even close
 

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It’s not a dream anymore when that many get in. It’s like how getting into bowls now doesn’t really matter. When you open up the field that far it means less.

You realize that being in the Big12 you can get into the playoffs right? There is no reason to think ISU couldn’t make it this year.
It's easier to get in with 24 than with 12 (or 16). For ISU, most really good years would get them in at 24. Probably only our best, 1 in 20 years teams would get in with 12 or 16.
 

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It's easier to get in with 24 than with 12 (or 16). For ISU, most really good years would get them in at 24. Probably only our best, 1 in 20 years teams would get in with 12 or 16.
Why? Win the Big12 and you’re in, there isn’t texas or OU or any other team that is going to field vastly better talent then you do. Plus there is now several lay up teams that were added to cushion the schedule more.

Outside of the Utah game and maybe Kansas at a neutral site you should be favored in every game this year. No reason you can’t get to the title game on a fairly regular basis which puts you one step away from a guaranteed playoff birth.
 

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Why? Win the Big12 and you’re in, there isn’t texas or OU or any other team that is going to field vastly better talent then you do. Plus there is now several lay up teams that were added to cushion the schedule more.

Outside of the Utah game and maybe Kansas at a neutral site you should be favored in every game this year. No reason you can’t get to the title game on a fairly regular basis which puts you one step away from a guaranteed playoff birth.
Because I find bowl games absolutely pointless and would like to see Iowa State have more opportunities at getting into a playoff. Simple as that.
 

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It literally means everything - there isn't anything else.

As a child of the 80s, I remember when there was no playoff. It was just the AP, UPI, and maybe the coaches poll that determined who was "champ". If you were lucky, the #1 and #2 would get paired in a bowl game but it didn't always happen that way.

I was an 80's child and I never understood that process. How can you really tell me Nebraska was the best team those years? I even thought the BCS was a better system than a bunch of writes playing favorites. I think the Playoff>>>>than the BCS and the 8-team playoff better yet.
 

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I was an 80's child and I never understood that process. How can you really tell me Nebraska was the best team those years? I even thought the BCS was a better system than a bunch of writes playing favorites. I think the Playoff>>>>than the BCS and the 8-team playoff better yet.
The current process still plays favorites. It's no longer writers, but playoff committee members who are never called upon publicly to justify their rankings. A computer ranking is really the only way to go to eliminate the popular pressure to put one's thumb on the scale because "eye test" or whatever. And eliminate much of the soft scheduling that is employed to keep appearances of a gaudy record.

I like the idea of an expanded playoff but the BCS selection process, while still somewhat flawed, was inherently more fair than what the committee has done under the 4 team playoff, and this will matter even more to non P2 schools under the 12 team format.
 

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