*** Official #14 IOWA STATE vs Texas (SAMSUBA) Game(Day) Thread ***
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I think your criticism of Rob Jones for his lack of rebounding is unfair. In TJ's scheme, the #1 priority for our big men is to prevent the man they are guarding from getting the rebound. Rob does that very well. Getting the rebound themselves is our big men's second priority. That's why ISU's guards have more rebounds than any other team.
Also, Pav has the ability to get into the lane at will, and TJ is pushing him to do exactly that. But I agree he's a good 3 point shooter and I'd love to see him put more of those shots up.
Rob averages 4.5 rebounds in 22 minutes per game. That's not bad. He's starting but not playing "starter minutes". Same story for King and Ward. They each scale up to 6-8 rebounds per 30 minutes, that's in Cato/Fizer territory (although Fize wasn't a great rebounder).
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Ya the first half was like watching a big brother whoop on his little brother.
Why are you the way you are?
I don't understand the point of this post. I never said guys don't need breaks. What I have said, am saying, and will continue to say is Pavs SHOULD NEVER be that guy (at least not this year). Watson should be getting more playing time...Ward should be getting more.
We have 3 competent bigs, 3 competent guards, and 2 competent wing players (Watson and Milan). We don't need Pavs to give players breaks. Look around college basketball. Many if not most teams can't go a legit 8 deep. Pavs not playing is a complete non-issue 99% of the time.
You have really weird obsession with picking on the guys that play the least amount of minutes every year.
I'm generally fine with Pav sitting but he was fine last night. He did have 1 possession where he wasn't much resistance and someone hit a jump shot over him, but overall he looked good.
Abmas isn't a very big or physical guard so maybe TJ thought it was a good opportunity for him to matchup well.
I don't understand you at all, we just won at a place we've only won twice since the formation of the Big 12 and you're worried about Pav getting 9 minutes?
He just had 6 combined minutes the last 3 games combined and you're complaining he's being used too much.
Been watching the conversation and I can understand the argument for wanting to see Ward get some more minutes and Pav getting less due to the metrics and watching from the TV set. i really think it comes to the staff belief/trust in the both BRE and Pav and keeping/building their confidence so if they are needed later in the year they are ready to contribute at the "competent" level. By drastically reducing a players minutes or removing no could lead to them checking out and not being ready when called upon. Pav hasn't translated his mid-major success as quickly as Jones/Gilbert have but he is showing signs of adjusting to the size and speed of the Big 12 and getting him minutes especially in games like UT when up by double digits could really pay off in March or if he doesn't then he won't play in the tournaments. The staff is evaluating that now and is still getting wins.
I don't think the staff is set on playing certain players, (Ward was the starting C entering the year pre-injury) they do value chemistry and trust in playing in their system. The team is use to the current rotation knowing roughly when each player will be coming in and for who right now and the team is playing well and having success. The staff may very well agree with the "competent" players you stated in a single game but not what to mess with the current roles and chemistry the team has right now to experiment with minute changes that the staff has had set for the past 2 months. Players often thrive with routine knowing how to properly prepare and pace them selves for the same minutes and there is value in keeping the rotation the same for now. If the team falters I believe the staff will make roster minute changes as they have the past two years even is later than the fans want.
Nightmare fuel.
I'm an pretty ugly man, so I get to say this objectively.
If we had the look-a-like thread for basketball teams/games, here is the first thing thing that popped into my head...:
See, this is where I get frustrated with some of your posts. You're speaking in absolutes. Saying Pav should never play is ridiculous considering he DID play and he made plays that helped the team win. He wasn't just getting Tamin some rest he also helped Gilbert get some rest as well and it worked. It wasn't against some scrub team either it was on the road against a solid Texas team with a slew of good guards.
It was a matchup thing. Against longer and more athletic backcourts, Pav likely won't see the floor. Texas has shorter guards and Pav played his role to almost perfection. And TJ didn't throw him in there arbitrarily either. Pav came in on the first round of subs, which I think was a good idea to see how he'd do in the beginning and test to see if he was capable of playing in this game, which he obviously was.
Nah. It's too fascinating.
This level of obsessive conjecture over a team that may or may not win a game or two in the NCAA tourney needs to be studied.
Also iirc Gilbert had 3 fouls in the first half or early in the 2nd. If a game is being called weird it's good to have someone who can go in and hold serve and maybe even take on some fouls since they're going to get called anyway.
Pav is a change of pace kind of guy and I would bet there's a scouting report on him that he's very capable of scoring from several places which is a problem since ISU's other three guards are too.
He's a utility guy, much like Watson. Both will see their minutes fluctuate depending on scouting reports/matchups.
People with little/no basketball knowledge won't understand that unfortunately. Just gotta let them talk themselves in circles
At the start of the season, I thought we could legitimately see a 9-10 man rotation (10 if Omaha was seeing more time). We are now seeing this on a regular basis, 9 guys.
CuJo and Ward see a great deal of time, they are nearly starter minutes. The team and player matchups and flow of the game dictate how time time Watson and Pav see.
Texas played 8 guys but their nonstarter minutes were 49 (49 minutes for their 3 subs). That's quite a few! We countered by playing 4 nonstarters (Ward, CuJo, Watson, Pav) who totaled 59 minutes!
We have the depth to deploy these 9 guys now, and it's situational. But playing more guys allows a team like ours, who exerts a lot of energy playing defense, to continue to play hard and fast. That is a key point, and an element to our success so far.
Watson and Pav have been a real plus for us lately. Needless to say, Ward and CuJo are huge pieces for us this year.
Making 2 BS shots and playing shoddy defense isn't exactly helping the team win. In fact we won in spite of him playing.
On the second bolded line there IS NO POINT in a game, other than garbage time, where Pavs should see the floor. We don't need to "see how he'll do" as we already know what he will do: give a subpar performance relative to (better) available options on the bench. Yes we had a big lead but as we saw the other day, and have seen numerous times in Otz's tenure, it's never safe to assume a first half lead is insurmountable on the road (it wasn't).
Everyone defending Pavs is talking in circles, almost as if they are pals sticking up for their best friend. He simply doesn't have the athleticism or size to be anything other than a liability defensively and his best case scenario is that he treads water offensively.
Instead of saying "hey, he sucks less than he usually does" or "if we are going to put in a substandard player doing so with a big lead is better than putting him in during a close game", you need to ask yourself if it's smart, necessary, and/or if he's the best option we have. The answer to all of those questions is no. This isn't the first conference game it was the 9th. We've seen enough already. All we can hope is that he gets a lot better for next year. If not it's a wasted scholarship.
Texas is a guard heavy team and we were going to pressure the crap out of them, leading to guys being tired. Pav came in early and did fine and then throughout he made some plays, both offensively and defensively. He wasn't perfect but you don't need your role players to be. His role is to soak up minutes if need be and TJ obviously thought it was going to be needed against a team like that. AND IT WAS SUCCESSFUL.
None of the other posters, including myself are saying that Pav should be playing anymore than he already does, which is not much. You're the only one saying that he should never ever see the floor, which means you're going against TJ and are burying your head in the sand with what you just saw on Tuesday night.
Your posting style is just so damn arrogant honestly. If you would've said "I don't think Pav is ready to play at this level but man, the kid came in and stepped up when called upon and I hope that can keep happening", that'd be one thing. But you completely refuse to be wrong even when being proven wrong by Jackson himself.
