Exactly why AI is really bad. It only accentuates "stupid in" "stupid out"
*** Official #14 IOWA STATE vs Texas (SAMSUBA) Game(Day) Thread ***
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Do you ever get tired of responded to my posts without even reading (or at least comprehending) them?
There were not THREE high level offensive plays. There was 1. The two others were ******** shots. Just because a player hits a bad shot doesn't mean it was a good basketball decision. It wasn't.
As I've stated multiple times, Pavs struggles because he's: small, not very strong, and lucks natural athleticism. This makes it hard for him to create his own shot on the offensive end and keep up on the defensive end. Simply put he is a liability EVERY time he's put on the floor against elite competition. That's not meant to be mean and it's not an opinion. It's facts backed up by a multitude of video evidence and advanced stats.
The reason why I bring up the shots is, assuming he has enough open space, it's the one thing his lack of physical ability doesn't inhibit. Outside of possibly the one lane move the 1-2 passed up threes were the best potential shots he could have taken the entire game. Instead, he passed them up.
So yes, when it comes to decision making I prefer high percentage shots over prayers. That doesn't just apply to Pavs but the rest of the team. Maybe you haven't noticed but we typically have better results and consistency when we do that.
Get out of it? That's the wrong question.
I like being challenged in life in general. When smart people pose the right questions it often forces you to re-evaluate your position. That's been done quite a few times on here by posters (Sigmopolis, Hines, and some of the better posters on here) and when it has I recognize it.
But when people attack my posts because they have a biased opinion of a player, don't like the take, etc and don't back it up (at all) it's crazy. The ultimate irony are the fool that ***** and complain, keep attacking the takes while providing little in the way of facts or evidence, then make it out like I'm the one continuing the conversation. Since conference has started have had 3 consistent opinions: Pavs is the worst player on the team, Ward should be playing more, and Watson (especially relative to some others) should be playing more. When doing so I've cited specific situations and advanced stats, particularly conference stats. Why? They are simply more relevant to the point and it's the easiest way to eliminate the meaningless stats/games against extremely inferior opponents.
For me it's a principle issue. If NOcreativity is going to attack the gist of my posts it's cool. In fact I welcome it. But for the love of christ, bring something other than anectdotal tripe and ******** to the table. If you can't, maybe acknowledge your position is faulty and likely lacks merit. Better yet, put me on ignore to begin with.
Blind homerism is a hell of a drug for some on here. I guess I just don't get that.
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Pav has shown pretty good ability to get into the lane and his Wolford highlight reel is alot of him taking shots there. I feel he's comfortable doing that and maybe it's been/going to be an acclimation to the higher level of competition with him to get where he can be more consistent with it.
I do agree there are times he has a 3pt look and passes it up when he should take it. But those looks are often early in the shot clock and maybe he defers to more established players. I think as he gets more playing time he'll get more comfortable and take those shots.
I recall 2 shots that Pav made in the lane that I thought were prayers but they came off clean. He took them I think later in the shot clock so I don't have issue with him taking those in that situation.
Pav has shown pretty good ability to get into the lane and his Wolford highlight reel is alot of him taking shots there. I feel he's comfortable doing that and maybe it's been/going to be an acclimation to the higher level of competition with him to get where he can be more consistent with it.
I do agree there are times he has a 3pt look and passes it up when he should take it. But those looks are often early in the shot clock and maybe he defers to more established players. I think as he gets more playing time he'll get more comfortable and take those shots.
When you have a lot of games and data points, Miya is a superior measurement with the one flaw that I agree - inability to split out the conference games. But the actual measurements are a WAY better indicator of how well the team plays when the player is on the court. It is more sample size dependent, though.
BT has really dumb aspects in ORTG and DRTG, most notably way too much emphasis on an offensive or defensive stat defining a personal possession or stop.
Simple example, BT ORTG says Watson is our best offensive player in conference play. It's completely a factor of having a major portion of his rating being weighted with something that accounts for usage. His individual possessions that factor into his ORTG are ridiculous because he has super low usage, because he's basically making a wide open dunk or nothing. He doesn't shoot, dribble, or really even pass other than a safe pass that doesn't set someone up for a good shot. Our half court possessions with him on the floor increase the pressure and degree of difficulty for the other offensive players. He's an elite defender and rebounder, but he absolutely does not make ISUs offense better.
DRTG has a boner for blocking shot or getting a steal. These are stats that are largely coming off the ball as help defenders. Important and great, but many coaches will tell you a very poor indicator of a defender. As a comparison, forcing a bad pass that is stolen by someone else, a bad shot that is rebounded by someone else or preventing a top scorer from getting the ball not so much. It's all opinion, but Coach K thinks steals have zero indication of good defense. Larry used to call blocked shots the most worthless stat ever.
I think you have to look at both systems for that reason. I think BTs team metrics are great, but the individual ORTG and DRTG formulas have serious flaws. The ORTG in particular favors low usage dunkers and garbage men. McKay had a significantly better ORTG than Niang in conference play. In fact Niang was our second to worst offensive player per ORTG that season. And the DRTG factors way too much into individual defensive stats of questionable merit in judging actual defense.
I get it man, hes small and not as athletic as our other guards. I even said early in the year myself he didn't look like a Big 12 player.
He averages exactly 6 minutes a game in Big 12 play. As far as I know he hasn't cost us any games yet. TJ seems to know the spots and situations to put him in. We won at historically one of toughest venues for Iowa St and here you are 3 days later still upset he got 9 productive minutes.
What exactly is the problem here? You're obsessed with ripping on the 10th guy who barely plays spot minutes. You did the exact same thing last year with BRE.
The hypocrisy in this is laughable. You continually pose anecdotal evidence as facts, but then point the finger at nearly all of your opposition for not bringing facts. I'm not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse or if it's a genuine blind spot.
You're absolutely entitled to an opinion and have all rights to express that here. The way you go about expressing your opinion matters though. It's one thing to think a player needs more development. It's another thing to just say they suck and shouldn't see the floor ever. Stating your opinions the way that you do ensures that not many people will take your opinions seriously, no matter how many paragraphs you write or advanced stats you use. I think you know all of that though.
The ridiculous thing is flat out not accepting reality, and that's that Pav played solid minutes in the Texas game. Saying "oh he just got lucky" is so ignorant imo.
I just re watched the game and Pav was just fine. During his run in the second half, Rob Jones missed two easy layups, Curtis Jones missed two wide open threes, including one in transition that resulted in Texas running it back for two points, Keshon missing an open three, and Abmas hit a jumper over Pav when he was playing excellent defense. It was a tough shot. Pav actually played very well during his time. Your hatred for him is not warranted and completely wrong.
All right everyone, the over/under on the number of paragraphs for the response to this is 3. You taking over or under?
Things you can't dispute:
You make concrete statements about TJ's decision making without knowing why he makes the decisions that he does. And you have nothing to dispute that or back up with. And it's ****ing weird that you think you do. Because you don't.
You think it is not negative to call a player terrible or say they suck.
Each season you put the light on one player to obsessively go after like they're ruining your life by not producing like they're supposed to be in some video game or alternative universe scenario in order to appease whatever issues you have in relation to a college basketball team winning or losing.
Haven't gotten that brave yet, he's still on ignore.
