Bracketology 2024

[NoCreativity]

Like I said, there are other factors to consider when reviewing the analytics, such as strength of schedule. However, the analytics are a much better starting point than simply looking at the group of players arbitrarily.

Then how do you explain my example of Houston being much better than West Virginia jsut going off individual player performance? It's similar to that in every league across college basketball.

Teams with bad individual player ratings are going to be bad in general and vice versa. You're making this way more difficult than it actually is.

 

[clone52]

Apparently, lots of 'bracketologists' believe Alabama is worthy of a 3 seed. This is their resume. They are above ISU. ******* SEC bias.

• Alabama (18-7)
  • NET Rank: 5
  • Quad 1: 2-6
  • Record against NET Top 25 (as of 2/20): 1-5
  • Win: #7 Auburn
  • Losses: #2 Purdue, @ #9 Creighton, #3 Arizona, @ #6 Tennessee, @ #7 Auburn
  • Other Losses: #65 Ohio State, #28 Clemson
  • Best win outside of NET top 25: #31 Indiana State

I don't know if the Net changed, but it REALLY hate's Quad 4 games. If 6 of ISU's quad 4 games were Quad 3, we'd be somewhere between #3 and #5.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I don't know if the Net changed, but it REALLY hate's Quad 4 games. If 6 of ISU's quad 4 games were Quad 3, we'd be somewhere between #3 and #5.

Still don't care. That allowed a young team full of fresh faces to gain some confidence and learn to play together, leading us to a #6 national ranking (8 in the NET).

 

[Cyhig]

Then how do you explain my example of Houston being much better than West Virginia jsut going off individual player performance? It's similar to that in every league across college basketball.

Teams with bad individual player ratings are going to be bad in general and vice versa. You're making this way more difficult than it actually is.

The question being posed is not which team has the most talented starting lineup. The question was which team has the best starting lineup. Talent of course helps. But the 5 players have to work well as a team. Meaning individual talent alone does not always equate to a team success.

All the data you have provided is based on individuals, not a team. Why does the USA basketball team struggle some years? They have more individual talent, right?

And you’re right, you certainly are making this more difficult than it actually is

 

[JRE1975]

All I know, if we win out, we are a 3 seed or better. I don't care where anyone else is in the seeding chart. As long as we would not see a #1 seed until the elite 8, I am fine with it.

It is great if we stay ahead of Baylor and others and get to Omaha, but I think we are good enough to win our first 3 games in the tournament no matter where we play.

 

[jcf817]

That's why it is so great. You get chaos and upsets, yet still a deserving team wins it all.

There's probably 4-8 teams that COULD win it, but most of them will get whacked en route.

I'd put AZ, UH, UConn, UNC, and maybe Marquette, Duke, and ISU on the list. One of those will be the champ.

I'd prefer complete chaos, with no blue blood to rise above it all.

 

[ClubCy]

That's why it is so great. You get chaos and upsets, yet still a deserving team wins it all.

There's probably 4-8 teams that COULD win it, but most of them will get whacked en route.

I'd put AZ, UH, UConn, UNC, and maybe Marquette, Duke, and ISU on the list. One of those will be the champ.

I would argue all but one will get whacked in route

 

[WastedTalent]

The bias is going to show when the committee drops UCONN 1 spot (from a blowout loss on the road to #13 team) and ISU drop several spots (from a close loss on the road to the nations best team).

The committee won't be doing any more ranking until Selection Sunday.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

The committee doesn't care about their conference record. They are being viewed favorably because in addition to Big 12 wins over Houston, Baylor, TCU, and @ Oklahoma they also beat UConn, Tennessee, and Kentucky OOC. Hopefully someone knocks them off at the Phog but I doubt it and especially now that McCullar seems healthy.

With NIL and the portal I feel like college hoops has hit a point where non con wins need to carry less weight. Teams are completely different in November and December than they are in Jan and Feb. The chemistry takes time.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

With NIL and the portal I feel like college hoops has hit a point where non con wins need to carry less weight. Teams are completely different in November and December than they are in Jan and Feb. The chemistry takes time.

Could not disagree more for a few reasons:

1) Why should teams that keep their rosters together be punished because the other team had a bunch of roster turnover?

2) College basketball needs big games to happen in November/December. If you disincentivize playing those games we're going to get more crappy buy games between powers and schools that shouldn't even be in Division I. I don't need to see anymore North Carolina-Longwood games than we already see.

3) It tilts the power even more to the power leagues. They already have every imaginable advantage and taking the slimmest of opportunities from your upper level mids is bad for the sport. It guarantees we'd get the 10th Big Ten and SEC team rather than the regular season A10 or Valley champ that goes 27-4 and gets beat in the league tournament.

4) It encourages even more kids to get in the portal whether it's a good decision for them or not. Why should I stay and play hard for Southern Illinois when, even if we do well, we won't get to participate the postseason because somehow beating Texas on their floor won't matter because 'Texas's roster full of 4 and 5 star kids hasn't figured out their chemistry'

5) Why play the games at all? Lets just take the Top 68 budgets and put them in a tournament. If you take away big non-conference games it basically tells schools that you can buy 10 wins because those games don't matter anyway and then be mediocre dog **** in your league and you'll still get in simply because you had the money on hand to buy your way in.

Sorry, might be a little passionate on this one

 

[qwerty]

That's why it is so great. You get chaos and upsets, yet still a deserving team wins it all.

There's probably 4-8 teams that COULD win it, but most of them will get whacked en route.

I'd put AZ, UH, UConn, UNC, and maybe Marquette, Duke, and ISU on the list. One of those will be the champ.

Well, I vote Iowa State. Let's just call it and cancel the tourney.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Who do we want to win tomorrow, Baylor or Houston? I get that we could potentially split with Houston but I wouldn’t hate seeing us get another game on Baylor. They continue to get seeded over us and our ideal bracket is the Midwest. Talk me out if it.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Who do we want to win tomorrow, Baylor or Houston? I get that we could potentially split with Houston but I wouldn’t hate seeing us get another game on Baylor. They continue to get seeded over us and our ideal bracket is the Midwest. Talk me out if it.

Definitely Baylor. I don't see Houston losing again after that. If Baylor had won at BYU, I might have been slightly more undecided on that, but I think Baylor winning is pretty critical for our chances to win the title.

 

[Thomasrickj]

Definitely Baylor. I don't see Houston losing again after that. If Baylor had won at BYU, I might have been slightly more undecided on that, but I think Baylor winning is pretty critical for our chances to win the title.

I would think we want Baylor to beat Houston. Our schedule is extremely favorable so winning outright would still keep us ahead of Baylor no matter what. Going through the tiebreaker rules, if us and Houston are tied, it takes record against the next opponent down until someone wins that. The next team down would likely be Baylor, and we would both be 0-1. After Baylor is likely going to be Kansas. We are 1-0 against Kansas and Houston is 0-1. Even if Houston beats Kansas at home, I'm assuming we'd get the tiebreaker being 1-0 against Kansas versus 1-1.

 

[singsing]

Crazy that the conference championship could come down to .1 of a second when it's all said and done.

 

[Cyowa 14]

I would think we want Baylor to beat Houston. Our schedule is extremely favorable so winning outright would still keep us ahead of Baylor no matter what. Going through the tiebreaker rules, if us and Houston are tied, it takes record against the next opponent down until someone wins that. The next team down would likely be Baylor, and we would both be 0-1. After Baylor is likely going to be Kansas. We are 1-0 against Kansas and Houston is 0-1. Even if Houston beats Kansas at home, I'm assuming we'd get the tiebreaker being 1-0 against Kansas versus 1-1.

Just making sure you are talking about tiebreaker scenarios with ISU and Houston when it comes to deciding the 1 seed in Kansas City because their is no tie breakers when it comes to regular season champions. It's just co champs if teams finish with the same record. If ISU had only played Houston once and lost to them but both finish 14-4 they are still regular season co champs according to the Big 12

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Just making sure you are talking about tiebreaker scenarios with ISU and Houston when it comes to deciding the 1 seed in Kansas City because their is no tie breakers when it comes to regular season champions. It's just co champs if teams finish with the same record. If ISU had only played Houston once and lost to them but both finish 14-4 they are still regular season co champs according to the Big 12

The 1 seed or 2 seed in KC doesn't seem to make much of a difference either.

 

[CoachHines3]

cheer for baylor tomorrow and then the rest of the year they can get bent!

 

[CyPunch]

We want Baylor tomorrow to have a shot at the Big 12 regular season title but if Houston wins it's not the worst thing in the world for Baylor to take another loss - for NCAA and conference tourney seeding. Baylor's remaining schedule is a gauntlet.

 

[CloneIce]

All I know, if we win out, we are a 3 seed or better. I don't care where anyone else is in the seeding chart. As long as we would not see a #1 seed until the elite 8, I am fine with it.

It is great if we stay ahead of Baylor and others and get to Omaha, but I think we are good enough to win our first 3 games in the tournament no matter where we play.

If we win out, we will be a 1.