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I think that preseason expectations shouldn't account for current expectations. It's almost like "hey, just happy to be here". We have an incredible opportunity at our fingertips and not achieving that would be disappointing. That doesn't mean the season was a disappointment though.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying this season has been a success and whatever good that happens from here on out is gravy. Expecting any specific team to do a particular thing in either tournament is not logical, given the nature of single-elimination, so I'm not going to have expectations. We may win the next 6 games and then lose in the round of 64. We may lose the next 4 games and then win the whole damn thing. Nearly anything between those two extremes is also within the realm of possibility, so while I will no doubt get caught up in the excitement of the moment and have dreams of glory, my expectations are a completely different thing.
 
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If Kansas and Baylor flame out and get bumped from Omaha does committee put Nebraska there as a 7 or 10 seed for a potential Hoiberg vs TJ/Iowa State 2 seed money grab for Omaha??
 
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My updated bracket for March 1 as of the games completed last night.

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  • My original bracket had Wisconsin as the 6-seed in Iowa State's pod, but due to Florida already playing Baylor and Alabama, I had to re-arrange a bit. But something to keep in mind with Wisconsin's profile worsening in the last few weeks that a rematch from two seasons ago is possible.
  • Iowa State is as close to Kansas yet in my projections for that last 2-seed. If ISU wins out and KU loses to Baylor and Houston, they'll pass Kansas. But do be aware that Baylor winning out could easily have them pass Iowa State.
    • If Kansas beats Baylor Saturday, it improves ISU's odds for Omaha and decreases their odds for a 2-seed.
    • If Baylor wins, Omaha competition gets stiffer while 2-seed odds increase.
      • If ISU loses at UCF and Baylor wins, that's a worst-case scenario for both.
  • I keep seeing national publications have Marquette getting the Midwest over North Carolina or Tennessee (if either or both of them are 2-seeds). Unless Marquette passes UNC or Tennessee in the seed list, based on what the NCAA bracketing principles say, UNC or Tennessee closest regional site is the Midwest. Chapel Hill and Knoxville are closer to Detroit than they are to Boston or Dallas.
    • This also related to ISU. If ISU gets up to that 2-seed line, say goodbye to Detroit and say hello to Los Angeles or Boston.
  • This is not ISU related, but we're entering a situation where it's feasibly possible for a potential Pitino vs. Pitino matchup in Dayton. I have both New Mexico and St. John's in my Last 4 In group right now. Typically, they have the first two of the Last 4 In play each other and the last two play each other. I've never understood that; it should be 1v4 and 2v3 but whatever. Either way, the NCAA should ignore all bracketing principles to give us father vs. son if both schools are in Dayton.

If Iowa State keeps winning and Baylor keeps winning, they could pass us, but I don't think it would impact our Omaha chances. You would still need Alabama and Kansas to be ahead of Iowa State.

Lets say Baylor, Alabama, Auburn and Iowa State all win out (pre-conference tournament). I think Iowa State would jump Kansas and there is no worry. But if Kansas stays ahead of Iowa State, I can't see both Baylor and Alabama jumping Iowa State.
Iowa State would be 8-4 Q1 and 6-2 Q2.
Baylor would be 8-7 and 6-1
Kansas would be 7-7 and 6-0 (but a quad 3 loss as well). They would have to win @houston which I can't see happening.
Alabama would be 5-7 and 8-1.
Auburn would be 1-7 and 8-0.

Just looking at that, I think Iowa State would be ahead of everyone. Sure, Baylor, Kansas and Alabama have played more top teams, but Iowa State has just as many Quad 1 wins as anyone else in fewer opportunities.

Maybe quad 1a vs 1b would come into play.
Iowa State would be 4-3 in 1a and 4-1 in 1b.
Alabama would be 4-5 in 1a and 1-1 in 1b.
Kansas would be 6-4 in 1a and 1-3 in quad 1b
Baylor would be 5-6 in 1a and 3-1 in quad 1b.

Strictly looking at that, Alabama, Kansas and Baylor have played a harder schedule, but a 4-3 quad 1b record is not a small sample size. I think if they put Alabama #1 (which I don't think is a given) and Baylor behind them because of head to head with ISU, they'd have to put ISU ahead of KU for the same reason.

You are probably right that Omaha is a little more likely with a KU win over Baylor.

Also, Marquette also likely loses 2 more games. They'd be 5-5 in quad 1a, 1-2 in 1b and 6-1 in quad 2. Not that Marquette dropping helps for Omaha, but it does open up Indy as a fallback.
 

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If Kansas and Baylor flame out and get bumped from Omaha does committee put Nebraska there as a 7 or 10 seed for a potential Hoiberg vs TJ/Iowa State 2 seed money grab for Omaha??

No, the higher seed won't/can't be dealt a geographic disadvantage.
 

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I would be curious to hear everyone else's thoughts on what would happen in a hypothetical. Let's say we finish one game behind Houston in the B12 regular season standings, either because we both win out or both drop one more. We meet up with Houston in the B12 tournament title game and beat them. What does each team end up getting seeded?
 

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I would be curious to hear everyone else's thoughts on what would happen in a hypothetical. Let's say we finish one game behind Houston in the B12 regular season standings, either because we both win out or both drop one more. We meet up with Houston in the B12 tournament title game and beat them. What does each team end up getting seeded?
Houston - 1
Cyclones - 2
 

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I would be curious to hear everyone else's thoughts on what would happen in a hypothetical. Let's say we finish one game behind Houston in the B12 regular season standings, either because we both win out or both drop one more. We meet up with Houston in the B12 tournament title game and beat them. What does each team end up getting seeded?

Houston 1 and Iowa State 2.
 

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If Iowa State keeps winning and Baylor keeps winning, they could pass us, but I don't think it would impact our Omaha chances. You would still need Alabama and Kansas to be ahead of Iowa State.

Lets say Baylor, Alabama, Auburn and Iowa State all win out (pre-conference tournament). I think Iowa State would jump Kansas and there is no worry. But if Kansas stays ahead of Iowa State, I can't see both Baylor and Alabama jumping Iowa State.
Iowa State would be 8-4 Q1 and 6-2 Q2.
Baylor would be 8-7 and 6-1
Kansas would be 7-7 and 6-0 (but a quad 3 loss as well). They would have to win @houston which I can't see happening.
Alabama would be 5-7 and 8-1.
Auburn would be 1-7 and 8-0.

Just looking at that, I think Iowa State would be ahead of everyone. Sure, Baylor, Kansas and Alabama have played more top teams, but Iowa State has just as many Quad 1 wins as anyone else in fewer opportunities.

Maybe quad 1a vs 1b would come into play.
Iowa State would be 4-3 in 1a and 4-1 in 1b.
Alabama would be 4-5 in 1a and 1-1 in 1b.
Kansas would be 6-4 in 1a and 1-3 in quad 1b
Baylor would be 5-6 in 1a and 3-1 in quad 1b.

Strictly looking at that, Alabama, Kansas and Baylor have played a harder schedule, but a 4-3 quad 1b record is not a small sample size. I think if they put Alabama #1 (which I don't think is a given) and Baylor behind them because of head to head with ISU, they'd have to put ISU ahead of KU for the same reason.

You are probably right that Omaha is a little more likely with a KU win over Baylor.

Also, Marquette also likely loses 2 more games. They'd be 5-5 in quad 1a, 1-2 in 1b and 6-1 in quad 2. Not that Marquette dropping helps for Omaha, but it does open up Indy as a fallback.

If we keep winning but Baylor still somehow manages to pass us it means they will have also passed Alabama and Auburn, which means they'll play in Memphis, which is more favorable to them than Omaha. What's had them bumped to Omaha this whole time is Tennessee and Alabama have been earmarked for Memphis up to this point.
 

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Well selection committees (both FB and BB) are notorious for twisted logic...
This clown keeps pointing out to Alabama's NCSOS being really tough as a reason for having them higher than ISU without acknowledging that Alabama actually lost every tough game they played in the Non-con. He's selectively applying losses to where he sees fit.
 

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It is asinine that people continually think it is okay to count your non-con games twice - once as a part of your non-con record and again as part of your overall record. It penalizes teams with a conference gauntlet. If you want to look at non-con separately, fine. But pair that with conference, not overall records.
Yep, they are breaking everything down into different silos versus looking everything as a whole. This guy also says he's not in the "prediction" game and putting out brackets based on a "snapshot in time" but then keeps Kansas on the 2-line because McCullar could come back.
 

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Isn't scheduling a bunch of strong non-con games and losing pretty much all of the difficult ones as much gaming the system as scheduling a bunch of Q4s and crushing them? I mean all I hear is that Bama played all of these tough non-con games. Yeah, but they went 1-4 in Q1 non-con with the only Q1 win barely Q1b. That is not impressive in the least.
 

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This clown keeps pointing out to Alabama's NCSOS being really tough as a reason for having them higher than ISU without acknowledging that Alabama actually lost every tough game they played in the Non-con. He's selectively applying losses to where he sees fit.
Yep I called that out last week. Bama has gotten a lot of mileage out of a bunch of soft Q2b wins and minimal Q1 success. Rewarding teams for losing to good teams in the non con is dumb. almost as dumb as having a bucket for both Q3 and Q4, those teams are all pretty interchangeable. Iowa State has a stronger Q1/Q2 resume and they played 2 more Q3/4 games than Bama. However, Iowa State has some damn good wins in Q1a. Bama is getting way too much love IMO.
 

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Isn't scheduling a bunch of strong non-con games and losing pretty much all of the difficult ones as much gaming the system as scheduling a bunch of Q4s and crushing them? I mean all I hear is that Bama played all of these tough non-con games. Yeah, but they went 1-4 in Q1 non-con with the only Q1 win barely Q1b. That is not impressive in the least.

That's why they got rid of RPI. Mid majors played that game really well.