Melvin Ejim is part of the 2024 ISU Hall of Fame class!
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I don’t think relying on who was “better” by fans is a good metric. Way too many biases like the era they played. Accolades are a way better way to evaluate players.
All conference accolades need to also consider that the conference has had 8, 10, 12 and 14 teams. It’s way harder to get all conference accolades in a 12 or 14 team league than an 8 team league.
Well hell lets take down any one in the rafters after 40 yrs that's the only way to keep things current.
Right? Fizer and Tinsley aren’t up there, but they damn well should be. But let’s say Tinsley left when Fizer did, so one of them wouldn’t have been the “best” player ever on the team. Morris and Niang same thing, as one of them couldn’t be the best player on the team if they were both on the team.
This thread is weird. It feels like there is a group that is either A) Anti-Melvin for whatever stupid reason OR B) Nobody can have their jersey in the rafters until we get Fizer and Tinsley in there.
I hope it’s not A and only B. To which I say, ok sure, but just because the criteria is stupid and those two aren’t up there doesn’t mean we have to avoid others deserving of being up there. Fizer and Tinsley should be there, we all agree. But Ejim has absolutely earned a spot up there.
I hope it’s not A and only B. To which I say, ok sure, but just because the criteria is stupid and those two aren’t up there doesn’t mean we have to avoid others deserving of being up there. Fizer and Tinsley should be there, we all agree. But Ejim has absolutely earned a spot up there.
People just coming at it from different places is all. What the standard "should" be will vary a bunch across any group of people. But I don't think there is anybody anti-Ejim, that would be dumb.
I don't know what the person you responded to was getting at (if they think that Ejim shouldn't go up there, I disagree). But I don't think the bolded quote is the correct framing. When all is said and done, I'd bet that 2000-2019 will have three players up there (Ejim, Niang, and Morris) vs. the four from 1980-1999. It would probably be five from that era if not for the Iowa State graduate rule, which is fair to argue about.
Stevens and Grayer are right up there with Fizer and Tinsley as our best players ever (IMO).
That’s what I’m saying. Our possibly best players and best eras, definitely best team, are not represented. Its been 24 years since that best team and the two have been out of the nba for 8 years, next year is the 25th anniversary and we still won’t do it.
If we cannot honor our best team ever because of academic reasons or inability to change a rule now that all players are pros, Ejim is a total no brainer hang the jersey.
I’m not saying that, I just don’t like the Ejim wasn’t as good as Stevens, Fred, Hornacek…” argument. He has more accolades than those guys in a bigger conference that was the best in the country.Well hell lets take down any one in the rafters after 40 yrs that's the only way to keep things current.
Maybe those guys were better, but I don’t like people’s eyeball tests of different guys on different team with different coaches separated by decades as the basis to make those cases.
ISU isn’t a blue blood. Having a CPoY, 1/2 team AA and Academic AA is about as decorated a player as we have or will have.
Thought this was interesting...
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Purdue surprises Edey by retiring No. 15 jersey
Zach Edey saw his jersey number added to the Mackey Arena rafters Sunday after leading No. 3 Purdue past Wisconsin in his home finale.
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There is a timing component, and Ejim is older than Niang, so Ejim will get it first assuming both happen as soon as they are able.
