NCAA Seeding Discussion
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125 - 16, 133 - 9, 141 - 6, 149 - 11
157 - 12, 165 - 3, 174 - 15, 184 - 22, Hwt - 1
Pretty close - Kysen might get rewarded for a couple decent wins. MJ gets rewarded for a couple decent wins. Feldkamp gets in
125 - 19
133 - 8
141 - 6
149 - 10
157 - 13
165 - 4
174 - 18
184 - 19
285 - 1
133 - 8
141 - 6
149 - 10
157 - 13
165 - 4
174 - 18
184 - 19
285 - 1
I would actually be fine with Carr seeing OT in the semis. It'll still be the most watched match regardless and I don't think David flinches at being on the raised platform, but maybe having it be A match vs THE match takes a little pressure off. I could be wrong but I'm willing to try anything at this point.
The biggest shame in 165 seeding is going to be Mesenbrinks free path to the title match.
1 - O’Toole
2 - Mesenbrink
3 - Ramirez
4 - Carr
5 - Hamiti
The 3 guys that can beat Mesenbrink will be taking each other out.
1 - O’Toole
2 - Mesenbrink
3 - Ramirez
4 - Carr
5 - Hamiti
The 3 guys that can beat Mesenbrink will be taking each other out.
I really don't think David gets screwed here on seeding.
David's quality wins: Izzak Olejnik, Peyton Hall x2, Dean Hamiti, Michael Caliendo, Cam Amine
Quality losses: O'toole and Ramirez.
Ramirez Quality wins: David Carr
Quality losses: O'toole and Izzak Olejnik.
David SHOULD get the 3 seed and I THINK he will
I think the committee will make a common sense decision to split Carr/Otoole. They can either put Mess at the 1 and Carr 4, or Otoole 1 and Carr 3.
For Ramirez, I don’t think it really matters. If he’s the 3 in the first scenario he’d have to get through O’Toole. If he’s the 4 in the second scenario he has to get through O’Toole.
It would be a travesty if it was Messenbrink Ramirez on one side and Carr, O’Toole, Hamiti on the other. No way they let that happen
Carr is not getting the 3 seed unless the seeding committee intervenes. Ramirez and Carr tie in the matrix and Ramirez has head to head over Carr.
I think it is more likely they intervene and put Messenbrink as the 1 and O'toole as the 2 to separate Carr and Keegan than it is that David jumps over Ramirez.
I think it is more likely they intervene and put Messenbrink as the 1 and O'toole as the 2 to separate Carr and Keegan than it is that David jumps over Ramirez.
David was ahead in coaches rankings as well as RPI. Has quality wins and common opponent with Izzak. Conference placing and head to head go to Julian. Then win percentage which both have 2 losses and David has more matches so a better win percentage correct? If it’s even close they can decide to put David at 3 and Julian at 4 which they would absolutely do.
They could, but it would require their intervention because @HGoat1 is correct in terms of letter of the law seeding. The only way Carr gets the 3 is if there is influence outside of the seeding parameters. And if it’s “ok” to move David to the 3, don’t be all pissy if Yonger ends up with the 2 seed.
The last sentence, about being “pissy”, is not intended to be toward you specifically. It’s meant for anyone who expects committee intervention in one situation but not another.
I don't disagree that Carr should be the 3, he absolutely should be. I also think both Keegan and Carr are better than messenbrink and will big brother him. Also have plenty of issues with the seeding process, mainly RPI is a very flawed stat for wrestling.
The committee can intervene if they decide its worthy. But Ramirez comes out ahead in the matrix and has head to head. I can't think of any examples in the past couple of years where a wrestler was ahead in the matrix and had H2H and got jumped by a guy behind them. I feel pretty confident Carr is going to be the 4. But who knows, sometimes they do some weird things.
That’s why I think it’s most likely they make Messenbrink the 1 and O’Toole the 2.
The difference is Julian and David are going to be VERY IDENTICAL on the matrix and David has 3 top 3 and 2 finalist experiences to his resume. Yonger has a significant matrix advantage over Kerk so it’s not the same at all
They're both 29-3
Ramirez loses in the matrix to O'toole, Messenbrink, Olejnik
Carr loses in the matrix to O'toole, Messenbrink, Ramirez
Ramirez has h2h in matrix (mostly due to his h2h win at CKLV)
That’s not true. If the matrix is nearly identical the committee can intervene and use common sense logic. Only if it’s within 2 or 3 points something? I don’t know the exact wording I’d have to look again
