NCAA Seeding Discussion
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If anyone listened to floradio today they said that a wrestler can only be argued and moved around in their quadrant. Meaning they have a floor and a ceiling but there is a common sense rational that takes into account previous results. I still believe there is a great argument that David can and will be the 3 seed. They also said losses don’t matter as much as quality wins of which I already pointed out that David has a lot of them compared to Ramirez and the rest of the field (the field also matters).
David's quality wins: Izzak Olejnik, Peyton Hall x2, Dean Hamiti, Michael Caliendo, Cam Amine
Quality losses: O'toole and Ramirez.
Ramirez Quality wins: David Carr
Quality losses: O'toole and Izzak Olejnik.
David's quality wins: Izzak Olejnik, Peyton Hall x2, Dean Hamiti, Michael Caliendo, Cam Amine
Quality losses: O'toole and Ramirez.
Ramirez Quality wins: David Carr
Quality losses: O'toole and Izzak Olejnik.
There is a set criteria. Head to head is just 1 small part of it.
Yeah I get that and he very well might get the 3, just feels like the 4 when everyone says the Matrix is close and he has H2H.
I think if Matrix is close enough and committee has a say, they’ll do the right thing and make sure Carr/Otoole are separated.
125 - 16, 133 - 9, 141 - 6, 149 - 11
157 - 12, 165 - 3, 174 - 15, 184 - 22, Hwt - 1
My predictions
I am similar to you, but would flip flop 125 and 184.
Not a bad point.
I think it goes like this.
1. KOT
2. Mesenbrink
3. Ramirez
4. Carr
5. Hamiti
6/7/8 will be a combination of Olejnik, Caliendo and Hall, maybe even in that order.
Kysen has a couple decent wins to his resume with the Poulin, SDSU, WV, and Barnett. Feldkamp has Munoz, Wolf, and Wisconsin kid. He might slide a little higher than 22 but he took a lot of L’s at the end
This is where MFF should come into play, and I’m trying to not let bias sneak in here.
Yes…Ramirez beat Carr, but there was an opportunity for a second match and Ramirez didn’t show up. From a Matrix perspective, that should be a loss for Ramirez and H2H should wash out. There are plenty of other data points to be able to go on to get past a medical situation should one arise.
I guess I don’t punish him too bad for losses to Keck, Plott, Wolf and Mizzou kid. No “bad” losses.
Kysens losses to Sandoval, Greg D and Anderson will hurt.
It’ll be interesting because coaches rankings and RPI matter a lot and we don’t have those data points. They haven’t been released. But good wins tend to outweigh bad loses in the formula and those bad loses might not hurt Kysen as much as a couple good wins. Great thing is - we will find out soon!
Carr is going to have to beat Mess and KOT to win it all but I really hope he gets Mess in the semis. I think he works him over. That being said I’m with you I think unfortunately he gets the 4.
Win over Watters WV helps. He wrestled Michigan Iowa and Oklahoma state back ups beat Abas and Zargo. Lost to Parco D’emilio and Jordan Williams. Beat Oklahoma twice. I think he will be in the 10-13 range. You think too high or too low?
Win % is split 5-5, they're the same, both 22-2
Conference rank is 15% and Coaches Ranking is 10%. They have it screwed up on the flo article.
David wins quality wins based on their tiered system but Ramirez gets 5 for having quality wins - I honestly don't know why they do it this way, but it goes 20-0 if one wrestler does not have any quality wins, 15-5 if one wrestler has more quality wins than the other, and on the rare occasion it is tied, 10-10.
So:
--Head-to-Head (25%): Ramirez
--Quality Wins (20%): David 15 Ramirez 5
--Conference Finish (15%): Ramirez
-- Coaches Rank (10%): David
--Common Opponents (10%): David
--RPI (10%): David
--Win % (10%): David 5 Ramirez 5
50-50 and Ramirez wins on Head-to-Head.
I would be surprised if they jump Carr over Ramirez based on the H2H win but I hope they do. Final coaches rankings came out and coaches still have Carr #2, hopefully some common sense prevails and David and O'toole are separated - whether that means 1 Mess 2 KOT 3 Ramirez 4 Carr or 1 KOT 2 Mess 3 Carr 4 Ramirez doesn't really matter
