Omaha enters the transfer portal (confirmed)

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Its been reported repeatedly that TJ like many coaches meets with each player individually after the season, and talks to them about their role on the team for the next season, and what they have to improve on to get more playing time. I am sure that with Omaha he was told unless he can improve his basketball skill set greatly, that he would not be getting a large increase in playing time. No matter how athletic the kid was, his BB IQ was very low or very slow, it does not matter, he wasn't going to get the playing time he wanted, and made the decision to leave. Sometimes it happens, kids are ranked too high or too low, the ranking system is not perfect, as we all know.

I really doubt that Omaha is going to move on and become a star player at another school, he might, but I would not bet on it.
Not sure why some people just cannot admit that he was greatly overrated as a basketball player, wish him luck as ISU goes in a different direction player wise.
 

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Just because ISU benefitted doesn’t change that the system has ruined what college athletics had been. When the pro sports have more restrictions on transfers and salaries, it’s a problem IMO.

What the system is doing is penalizing the coaching staffs that can identify and develop talent by having that talent leave for better funded programs.

It's not getting put into the box so the old schools are gonna have to learn to accept it.... It is what it is at this point.
 

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It's crazy how so many people still can't figure out how raw Omaha was. He was recruited based purely on his athleticism. He's the type of Baylor Scott Drew would recruit but knowing it may tale a couple years before they are even serviceable.

I also just don't think it can be understated what a different world it is out there for a freshman big. I'll just take a couple quick snapshots of the difference 10 years makes:

Texas's starters in 2014 went Sophomore Junior, Junior, Junor, Freshman

Kansas's starters in 2014 went Sophomore, Freshman, Sophomore, Freshman, Junior

Texas's starters in 2024 went: Graduate, Junior, Sophomore, Graduate, Graduate

Kansas's starters went: RS JR, Freshman, RS Senior, Junior, Senior

You just aren't playing against other underclassmen anymore. You are playing against experienced, physically matured 23 year olds.
 

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Omaha is the biggest bust of a rated player
I think that's a little harsh IMO. Omaha has a ton of raw talent. The potential is very high for Omaha. But he needs more time to refine his skills. I think Omaha will thrive more in a style like Hoiball where the spacing much more spread out. Otz plays a much more hard nosed, defensive minded first style of game. The forwards/centers that thrive in that system are physical and players with lots of experience who can read an offense and know when to come off your guy and rotate to help. Could Omaha become that type of player? Possibly. But I think he will have far more success in a different system
 
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Weren’t we told all season, when some on here were saying Omaha would be transferring after the year, that that wasn’t the case and everything was going to plan, and Omaha was working hard, and there was nothing to be concerned about with him…. he wasn’t going anywhere?

Interesting.

What f*cking difference does it make? You think the staff is going to leak info negative info on one of their players in the middle of a historic season?
 

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TJ and staff tried to make him a 5, which he is not. So my opinion is ISU misused him.

I am hopeful he goes to another school and tears it up to prove all the doubters wrong.

Not sure why that is confusing.

I guess I'm not sure how you can say they tried to make him a 5. I can't think of a single time he wasn't on the floor with either Rob, Hasan or Tre, which would make him the 4. He seemed to work the wings and short corner, which against isn't indicative of a traditional 5. In the Big 12 tournament he ate up Watson's minutes at the wing/4.

And no matter what position you want to call him, it doesn't change the fact that when he was in he didn't look ready to contribute. When he was around the ball he couldn't ever seem to control it. When he'd rebound it would go off his hands. He was a defensive liability with bad rotations and bad on-ball defense. There's not a position you can put him in on the floor to overcome those things.
 

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I also just don't think it can be understated what a different world it is out there for a freshman big. I'll just take a couple quick snapshots of the difference 10 years makes:

Texas's starters in 2014 went Sophomore Junior, Junior, Junor, Freshman

Kansas's starters in 2014 went Sophomore, Freshman, Sophomore, Freshman, Junior

Texas's starters in 2024 went: Graduate, Junior, Sophomore, Graduate, Graduate

Kansas's starters went: RS JR, Freshman, RS Senior, Junior, Senior

You just aren't playing against other underclassmen anymore. You are playing against experienced, physically matured 23 year olds.

It's tough too because Omaha will never be a true 5. He has a lot of work to do to even look like a serviceable 3 or 4.
 

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It's not getting put into the box so the old schools are gonna have to learn to accept it.... It is what it is at this point.
This has all happened so fast that the schools have not been able to slow down or stop the process of player movement and NIL. I really cannot see it staying this way forever, it's going to get to the point where schools in the B10 and SEC are going to start diverting some of their TV money to the players, and when that happens they will make them employees of the school, signing a contract that will pay them X amount, but also giving up their right to leave, thereby tying them to the school one way or another.
Few thoughts 5 years ago that we would have total free agency and be paying players large sums of money, without any way to stop player movement, it will come and I would guess the conferences will do it by making them employees of the university.
 
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This has all happened so fast that the schools have not been able to slow down or stop the process of player movement and NIL. I really cannot see it staying this way forever, it's going to get to the point where schools in the B10 and SEC are going to start diverting some of their TV money to the players, and when that happens they will make them employees of the school, signing a contract that will pay them X amount, but also giving up their right to leave, thereby tying them to the school one way or another.
Few thoughts 5 years ago that we would have total free agency and be paying players large sums of money, without any way to stop player movement, it will come and I would guess the conferences will do it by making them employees of the university.

Yeah eventually its going to shift where the schools are footing the bill but it's not going to change anything. The collectives will still be a thing too as far as endorsement money/deals go.
 

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And there are very few limits, caps, or regulations apparently, in the current NIL. I think it's great that the players are getting compensated. I think it's great that we have a coach who players want to play for and is a relatively good recruiter, to his culture and program.

It is just very hard to get used to and I hope NIL doesn't continue in it's present form. Wealthier fan bases can buy a 'better' team, player-wise, BB and FB now. That shouldn't be. And the fans shouldn't have to pay the burden, in general, at least not all of it. Especially with the ungodly amount of money the P2 conference members are now getting with their media deals.
Hi T,

I tend to agree with you, but I often come back to this.

Why should college athletics be ANY "WAY"?

Why are there college athletics? At one time some students thought it would be fun to compete against other schools in the name of their school, so they put together a club and started playing. Then, the schools themselves saw that this was a good activity that brought some attention to their school, provided something for their students to attend and have pride in and eventually became both a way to stay connected with alumni and to get their name out there past the county line.

Eventually it grew to a rather big time enterprise, with budgets rivaling medium sized companies with salaries for the few at the top rivaling those of lower paid CEOs.

It has evolved a lot over time. There are many colleges today where the student athletes are barely supported. They have to pay their way through college and participate in their school's athletics for the joy or pride of doing so. (Sometimes not paying for beer all the way through college might be an ultimate goal.) Those students are probably the closest thing we have to the origination of college sport participation.

There were others that got full rides and preferential treatment and training rooms and an opportunity to hone their skills to put on display the abilities they gained for people to pay them to play the sport they wanted to make their profession.

There were yet others that "went pro" without letting anyone (especially the NCAA) know about it. That is what was breaking the NCAA before. Cheating, getting ahead, gaining more money from that cheating AND possibly bigger support (you can't look past that) and staying ahead becuase of those factors. A few schools made that happen through lack of morals and/or fanatical financial support.

What we have now is a system that is in need of regulation. The students, who, let's face it, have become employees, were asking for a little bit of compensation and ended up in the middle of firestorm created by the "adults" in the room. They, of course, are not innocent in all this. Once they saw the bags they could get, they gladly looked for them. There is a good and fair way to do all of this, I doubt if we will get to a point that the cheaters won't cheat, but there are logical rules that could be struck to make most everyone happy.

We just need to wait for a while to get to the other side.

But, the one thing that we probably can't do is wish for the "good 'ol days", becuase what you are looking for is gone and hasn't been what you thought it was in generations.

If you DO want/need that, then I'd suggest you drop down to Division III athletics and root on the true student-athletes. Schools like Coe, Buena Vista, Luther, Wartburg, University of Dubuque, Cornell, Central, Simpson, Loras, and Grinnell all have nice programs and facilities to go spend your time at. They are close enough that you should be able to get to the games and catch them on local radio or, at worst, audio streaming when they are a little further away. Those young men and women are participating becuase they love the sport and support their schools. They will likely play for their teams for 4 years and develop along the way. OR they might give up on collegiate sports all together. It may prove too much of a load while they are on their way to graduating with their fellow DIII athletes at about an 88% clip. Either way, it seems they will be there for you to get to know for a while at least.

Unfortunately, ISU and most of DI and DII is far past this and is not going back. You don't have to add to the mess, but I don't think you can stop it. We can either hope that our coaches continue to bring in athletes that represent the school well, that buy in to what we are about and appreciate the fans as much as we appreciate them OR we can give up and go sit with few hundred people in small towns around Iowa on gamedays.

This has been the choice to a LONG time now.
 

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Yeah eventually its going to shift where the schools are footing the bill but it's not going to change anything. The collectives will still be a thing too as far as endorsement money/deals go.
The collectives were started because if the school used its own money, then the players would be considered employees of the university, which is something that the schools wanted to avoid. So the two were separate, which would have been fine if it had stayed with what it originally was supposed to be, a kid getting a cut of money for their name, likeness and image, instead it has become pay for play. Now there is nothing wrong with that model for the athletes, but it causes major problems for the schools and the collectives, as they are paying players but after the season the kid can up and leave. The UT quarterback took a million dollars from Ohio State, went there, took a redshirt year and then left to go back to UT.
It stands to reason that both schools and collectives will want to put a stop of players just walking away after getting a payday, the easiest way to do that is to bind the player to the school by making them an employee.
 

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To me the biggest think for Omaha is not skills it is understanding defense and offense or BBIQ. If you just go roll a ball out there and don't have sets or a defensive scheme like street ball and say go play, his skills would be fine. He just doesn't understand what to do on on either end. It reminds me so much of Cheick Diallo.
 

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Was confused on who the doubters were. Interesting you feel like they tried to use him as a 5. Unless you think that’s what they’re doing with Watson.

Thanks for clarifying.

And it was confusing bc I didn’t understand. Thanks again.
The doubters are all the people on here saying he's a bust and was overrated.
 
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The doubters are all the people on here saying he's a bust and was overrated.
5-star recruit that is not injured did not play a meaningful minute in any of our NCAA tournament games, that is the textbook definition of overrated. It is still to be determined if he is a bust, but it sure looks like it.

  • Five-star prospects are the best of the best. Just a few dozen if that will receive this type of rating, and demand for them is high as those involved with UNC basketball recruiting, Michigan basketball recruiting, Kentucky basketball recruiting and recruiting efforts at other top schools tend to be highly interested. Players who are rated at five stars comprise roughly 1 percent of the basketball players who are at two stars and above.

 
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The doubters are all the people on here saying he's a bust and was overrated.
I really wish we are all sitting here today debating how high Omaha was going to go in the upcoming NBA draft, was he a lotto pick and trying to talk ourselves into the idea that he should come back for one more year to work on a few things. But we are not, we have people that cannot grasp the fact the kid was highly overrated, and has left ISU for greener pastures, it's his choice.

Now we are trying to find reason why he did not play, was involved in USA basketball and got to campus late, had older more experienced players in front of him, struggled to grasp the defensive part of what we do. Some of which may be true, but this is a kid that was rated by every rating service to be in the top 1% of all high school recruits last year. He was not injured as far as we know and was not in the coach's doghouse. In fact, we kept reading about what a great attitude he had and how hard he was working.

A 5-star recruit should be playing if not starting at any school in the country if he is not hurt, and Omaha could not get off the bench during our most important games. The simple answer is he was greatly overrated as a player, it sucks, but it is what it is. He could have stayed around and sit or moved on to play, he has made his decision, let's stop making excuses for why he did not play.
 

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What exactly are people angry about in this thread? If an outsider who read this they would think Iowa State is getting poached left and right every single year and we are barely fielding a team. We just had a historic season that 5 of the 8 top contributors were TRANSFERS.

The only players that have left so far had little to no contribution on the floor this year and almost all of them will move down a level. Our team is only going to get BETTER this off-season and people are not ok with that because they miss the old days? They can’t learn new names? What’s the issue?
 

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What exactly are people angry about in this thread? If an outsider who read this they would think Iowa State is getting poached left and right every single year and we are barely fielding a team. We just had a historic season that 5 of the 8 top contributors were TRANSFERS.

The only players that have left so far had little to no contribution on the floor this year and almost all of them will move down a level. Our team is only going to get BETTER this off-season and people are not ok with that because they miss the old days? They can’t learn new names? What’s the issue?
This is CF. There doesn't need to be a issue.o_O:oops:;)
 

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There is a good and fair way to do all of this, I doubt if we will get to a point that the cheaters won't cheat, but there are logical rules that could be struck to make most everyone happy.
Thankyou for your response and thoughts! And I agree. I now wait for those "logical rules" (and regulations) that can be struck to make most of us happy!

I wonder what the best logical solutions are going to be? I am usually far behind on things like this, debate for change, etc. Conference realignment is another thing that is occurring, simultaneous to NIL, that makes a lot of this more difficult.
 

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