Williams & Blum Wednesday: Preseason poll, realignment speculation, and The Tornado Game

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CW and Blum dive into the Big 12 Football Media Poll, why there's reason to believe Yormark will continue to make moves, and The Tornado Game against Colorado in 2005.

Last pod of the week until Sunday's W&B. Have a great 4th of July and stay safe!

 
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I remember that entire day so well. It was weirdly warm, I was meeting college buddies at the tailgate at the grass lot closest to Vet Med (where I was going to announce my wife was pregnant with our first - she stayed home sick)...and then the sirens go off. I looked at my buddy and asked him if we should move to Hilton. He just looked at me and said, "Nah, were good and we can always jump that creek if it gets real bad." And we were fine. I also remember Berryman dominating how windy and cold the end of the game was.
 

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We were at the tornado game. Got hustled into Hilton, figured that was pretty concrete and safe. Marching band played, that really took any stress/fear out of it for a lot of people, thought that was a smart move whoever made that happen.
 

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Awesome game day environment in the lots that got intense for a bit. We had friends joining our tailgate then headed to the tunnels to wait it out as the huge cloud just hung out West of Jack Trice.
 
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Speaking of Colorado games, I would love for a recap of the next time Colorado came to Ames. It’s one of the first ISU games I really remember attending just because of how weird it was. Iowa State won because Colorado had two chances to hit a game winning field goal. There was a penalty on the first and then they didn’t get the snap off in time on the second one.
 

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I’m the exact same age as Chris and Brent. That was my favorite home game in Jack Trice while I was a student. I was so hammered that game with the extra tailgating time. Curvey was insane that day
 

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Iowa State won because Colorado had two chances to hit a game winning field goal. There was a penalty on the first and then they didn’t get the snap off in time on the second one.

And a little surprisingly, that sequence was all officiated correctly.
 

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Two things:

CW has mentioned it on like 3 different podcasts. KSU/Arizona is NOT a conference game. How can you pretend to know enough about their roster but their schedule?

Not sure if Blum was just being hypothetical or not but if Syracuse and UConn are two of the first teams that come if/when the next expansion comes I’ll eat a shoe and make a a sizable donation to WeWill. There’s no possible way those two are at the top of wishlist.
 

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This was such a weird game for me, but I remember it better than almost any other ISU game I've been to.

Started by running into an ex girlfriend as I walked in. I wasn't in any mood to catch up so pretty much dodged her on my way to my seats lol.

Then of course the tornado and taking shelter. Mason Crosby kicking the ball on top of the Jake, Joel Klatt as Colorado QB. Brent Curvey returning the INT for a TD and his post-game interview where he said he was watching the jumbotron to see how fast he needed to run LOL.

It was obviously a big win, but I'm not sure why that game in particular sticks in my head so vividly.
 
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Not sure if Blum was just being hypothetical or not but if Syracuse and UConn are two of the first teams that come if/when the next expansion comes I’ll eat a shoe and make a a sizable donation to WeWill. There’s no possible way those two are at the top of wishlist.
Agree, and the ship on UConn has likely sailed with very recent announcement of the new Big East TV deal with Fox, NBC and TNT. And having Syracuse and Louisville at the top of a wish list for B12 expansion is senseless. Yes, both have successful MBB histories but their results after the departures of Crum/Pitino and Boeheim are underwhelming and with no guarantee that they will return to prior levels of success.

And CW suggesting that he would prefer SMU over Stanford was a hoot.
 
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Speaking of Colorado games, I would love for a recap of the next time Colorado came to Ames. It’s one of the first ISU games I really remember attending just because of how weird it was. Iowa State won because Colorado had two chances to hit a game winning field goal. There was a penalty on the first and then they didn’t get the snap off in time on the second one.
That game is underrated in how weird and interesting it was. Same with the KState win I believe that same month.
 

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We were at the tornado game. Got hustled into Hilton, figured that was pretty concrete and safe. Marching band played, that really took any stress/fear out of it for a lot of people, thought that was a smart move whoever made that happen.
“And the band played on.”
 
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Two things:

CW has mentioned it on like 3 different podcasts. KSU/Arizona is NOT a conference game. How can you pretend to know enough about their roster but their schedule?

Not sure if Blum was just being hypothetical or not but if Syracuse and UConn are two of the first teams that come if/when the next expansion comes I’ll eat a shoe and make a a sizable donation to WeWill. There’s no possible way those two are at the top of wishlist.

My theory has always been when the ACC implodes, the Big Ten and the SEC will 100% take...

Clemson
Florida State
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
Notre Dame
(if they give up on independence)
Virginia

UNC and UVA have always felt like Big Ten schools to me -- big flagship state universities in high-population states with excellent academics and questionable football and good/great basketball.

Notre Dame is probably Big Ten bound if it joins a conference. I'm not sure it it would.

The others I could see going either way. Does the SEC want the big football brands of Clemson, Florida State, and Miami? Have they had enough football success lately to justify the add...? Do they want to have additional teams in territory already claimed by Florida and South Carolina in their footprint?

The next tier is the "might take" for the Big Ten and the SEC...

Duke (obviously a great basketball school, would pair well with UNC)
Georgia Tech (a long shot but excellent academics and strong foothold in Atlanta)
NC State (might be a backup to UNC for one or the other if they want a North Carolina outpost)
Virginia Tech (if the SEC wants another football school and a school in Virginia)

Any of these ones not taken by the Big Ten/SEC should be taken by the Big 12 save Georgia Tech (the Big 12 doesn't care about academics and already has a southern outpost in Orlando, though I could still see the case for having the only other P3 in Georgia the same way the Big 12 has the only over P3 team in Ohio with Cincinnati up against Ohio State). Duke and NC State would be solid additions if somehow available.

I think the Big 12 would keep going to take four or six total. These would be worth considering to fill out the roster to make the Big 12 of 20 or the Big 12 of 22 depending on the money...

Louisville (a good geographic fit, should have taken them when we took WVU)
Pitt (another good geographic fit, definitely want the Backyard Brawl in the conference)
SMU (if their billionaire sugar daddies are willing to plop down serious cash on them why not, but it would have to be a good $$$ deal or a need for another to grab another Texas team)

I think these guys are screwed...

Boston College (don't see the value, Boston is a pro sports town)
California (we didn't want them last round when we had the chance)
Stanford (we didn't want them last round when we had the chance)
Syracuse (not much of a brand anymore... very sorry for your loss)
Wake Forest (very sorry for your loss)

One modal scenario that comes to mind...

Big Ten goes to 24 with UNC, UVA, The U, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame
SEC goes to 18 with Clemson and Florida State and calls it a day
Big 12 snaps up NC State, Virginia Tech, Pitt, and Louisville to go to 20 and calls it a day

The remainder are just screwed. Maybe they backfill/de facto merge with the American in the eastern U.S. and Cal and Stanford end up with the Beavs and Coogs in the Mountain West.
 
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Two things:

CW has mentioned it on like 3 different podcasts. KSU/Arizona is NOT a conference game. How can you pretend to know enough about their roster but their schedule?

Not sure if Blum was just being hypothetical or not but if Syracuse and UConn are two of the first teams that come if/when the next expansion comes I’ll eat a shoe and make a a sizable donation to WeWill. There’s no possible way those two are at the top of wishlist.
The Big 12 commish is obsessed with basketball and having a presence on the east coast. Those two may not be on the top of the wish list but they are definitely being discussed by the person on top and may be the most realistic options in his eyes.