Big 12 Conference Realignment

Cloneon

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Obviously any knowledgeable fan understands the likelihood of ever getting a true “big boy” press box at JTS is very low. We get it - the financials, priorities, yada, yada, yada. And that (also obviously) isn’t the point. The point is that it looks small-time from the outside. Outsiders look at our stadium and see it as less than. The nation sees a dinky press box and a stadium that has a “gee golly they sure are trying aren’t they!!” feel to it. The Sukup end zone looks cheap. The materials look cheap. Our 1987 erector-set lights look cheap as hell. And goofy as hell. They look like they were purchased at county fair outdoor lighting sale. The Jacobson building - which took an act of GOD to get built - was outdated and far too small almost instantly. The scoreboard contraption on top of it - woof! A lot of us fans are “OK” with it because we’ve never been a true big boy football program. Our press box - yes as obviously stupid as it sounds - is the perfect small/schmedium-time press box for our program. That’s what we’ve produced and that’s how we are viewed from the outside. But hey, it’s WAY better than things used to be, right!?

Our football program is currently doing some great things - and I personally am pumped for this season and the potential to take a step towards the highest levels this season. JTS as an atmosphere on game days has come a long ways and I’m confident it will be really loud and intimidating again this season. But it’s also perfectly OK to acknowledge what it’s not and have silly unattainable fan pipe dreams of what it could be for it to be in par with some of the bigger players in CFB…
Ok. I'll bite. But, what you're advocating would've cost significantly more than what was built, thus most likely preventing most of it from ever happening. And, if you look closely, one thing you can't deny is that we're just a decent arched stone facade (hiding the columns) away from turning this into a classic.
 

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Ok. I'll bite. But, what you're advocating would've cost significantly more than what was built, thus most likely preventing most of it from ever happening. And, if you look closely, one thing you can't deny is that we're just a decent arched stone facade (hiding the columns) away from turning this into a classic.
It is still lost on many that they continue to compare our "press box" to stadiums with a true "sky box".

They need to compare our press box to those stadiums that have their suite and club sections in other parts of the stadium. Like Clemson, WVU, etc. Instead of comparing our press box to those that have a sky box full of suites and club sections, because they have no other place for them. This is a very big difference.

It has been posted on here before how many suites we have compared to most others and we have a similar number or even more than those with huge sky boxes. Just ours are in a different location.

Right now JTS has most suites and club sections in other places. Until the need for more suites or to move the suites overtakes the cost, nothing will be changed. This could be a very large increase in demand for suites, or a demand to use our current suite locations for something else, like club sections and amenities, would require a relocation of those suites, which I find more likely than a significant increase of suite demands.

Personally I could see the demand for a similar club on the West side to the Trice club, I also could see both of those club sections expanding down further on each side Taking more of the top seats in those mid sections. If that happens, those suites will need to go somewhere. Which may cause an expansion of the skybox area, which could include more suites and even club sections as some have done up there.
 

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It better be but I doubt this ever happens.
Yormark "leaked" the UCONN conversations last year citing the networks preferred only 1 additional school beyond CU in order to pressure AZ, AZ State, and Utah to jump to the Big 12. And it worked. It wouldn't shock me if there is a similar ulterior motive (ACC schools perhaps). This kind of stuff doesn't get leaked unless it has a purpose.

The only benefit to adding UCONN would be MBB and WBB only then negotiating the basketball TV contracts separately which BY has been very vocal about doing. We'll see. BY has been excellent as commissioner so I trust him.
 

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Yormark "leaked" the UCONN conversations last year citing the networks preferred only 1 additional school beyond CU in order to pressure AZ, AZ State, and Utah to jump to the Big 12. And it worked. It wouldn't shock me if there is a similar ulterior motive (ACC schools perhaps). This kind of stuff doesn't get leaked unless it has a purpose.

The only benefit to adding UCONN would be MBB and WBB only then negotiating the basketball TV contracts separately which BY has been very vocal about doing. We'll see. BY has been excellent as commissioner so I trust him.
This is similar. Helps the 2nd tier ACC start thinking about who is their life raft when FSU and Clem eventually bail. Ive said it 20 times, eventually some ACC and UConn will join, and theyll do a partner/alliance w the BigEast for bball only.
 

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I don't care either way, keep my Cyclones relevant in college sports while battling espn and talking heads propaganda, bring in St. Mary's or Grandview. As long as Yormark adds value to the whole, I don't give a ****. Make it happen and **** the big10 and sec propaganda whores.
 

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This is similar. Helps the 2nd tier ACC start thinking about who is their life raft when FSU and Clem eventually bail. Ive said it 20 times, eventually some ACC and UConn will join, and theyll do a partner/alliance w the BigEast for bball only.
I love the Big East alliance angle.. those guys are like Big 12 fans, passionate about the sport and their team. Plus, UConn fits in well with their regional schools. Maybe this leads to the Big 12 and Big East negotiating a joint TV media deal for basketball.
 

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I love the Big East alliance angle.. those guys are like Big 12 fans, passionate about the sport and their team. Plus, UConn fits in well with their regional schools. Maybe this leads to the Big 12 and Big East negotiating a joint TV media deal for basketball.
With the big east you already get an idea of what basketball is worth. Their whole media deal comes out to around 7mil per school with their brand new agreement. I think a joint deal would actually hurt the Big12. The big east schools are very small and usually second, third, or fourth fiddle in their states.
 

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I think getting UCONN is a way to pry some of those acc schools away. Maybe not but Yormark is always thinking five steps ahead. Getting the Big 12 value for TV out there in public would be one of Yormarks strategies. I think SEC and Big 10 and especially Big 10 is neglecting its basketball value to their detriment.
 

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I think getting UCONN is a way to pry some of those acc schools away. Maybe not but Yormark is always thinking five steps ahead. Getting the Big 12 value for TV out there in public would be one of Yormarks strategies. I think SEC and Big 10 and especially Big 10 is neglecting its basketball value to their detriment.
It's about damaging the Big East to get a bigger piece of the FOX pie when he splits basketball.
 
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I think getting UCONN is a way to pry some of those acc schools away. Maybe not but Yormark is always thinking five steps ahead. Getting the Big 12 value for TV out there in public would be one of Yormarks strategies. I think SEC and Big 10 and especially Big 10 is neglecting its basketball value to their detriment.
How does that help get ACC schools?
 

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How does that help get ACC schools?
Right now ACC schools are getting hosed in their contract. If Duke, Miami and Florida State realize what UCONN will make in a basketball only contract, do you think they will be happier or madder? Let’s say the ACC model is valued at $6 million (based on 80 to 20%), adding UCONN will surely be more than the $7 million they will get get from the new Big East contract.
 

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How does that help get ACC schools?
If you're not named Clemson and FSU maybe this helps you think it's better to grab a seat 1st, like NOW now. A little artificial or potentially real constraint. Worth a shot.

You have to start thinking how many seats are left with whom? And where do we stack up in the pecking order after the dust settles? It would be dereliction of duty not to for so many schools over there. It kind of makes me feel uneasy just to think about the boat so many decent schools are in here. It's not just two plucky ag schools in the corner of the map this time like Wazzou and OSU.

UNC and UVA have long been assumed big 10 shoe-ins... but one if not both have to think "are we both in that category for sure, or is it just one?"

You also have Duke, Miami, VaTech, NCSt, Syracuse, Pitt that can't just afford to be 100% passive and play this patiently, regardless of which math you chose.

Unless we're talking national Super Conference which has always been a suckers bet because that means the big ten and SEC are suddenly in the business of charity of sorts lol. That would be naive complacency that would make the old PAC12 blush.
 
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If you're not named Clemson and FSU maybe this helps you think it's better to grab a seat 1st, like NOW now. A little artificial or potentially real constraint. Worth a shot.

You have to start thinking how many seats are left with whom? And where do we stack up in the pecking order after the dust settles? It would be dereliction of duty not to for so many schools over there. It kind of makes me feel uneasy just to think about the boat so many decent schools are in here. It's not just two plucky ag schools in the corner of the map this time like Wazzou and OSU.

UNC and UVA have long been assumed a big 10 shoe-ins but one if not both have to think are we both in that category for sure, or is it just one? You also have Duke, Miami, VaTech, NCSt, Syracuse, Pitt that can't just afford to be 100% passive and play this patiently regardless of which math you chose, unless we're talking Super Conference which has always made no sense because that means the Big Ten and SEC are suddenly in the business of charity lol. That would be naive complacency that would make the old PAC12 blush.
Problem is they can’t grab a seat now any more then FSU can, agree with everything else you said and obv should be doing due diligence I just don’t see how that helps. You will be getting the same schools either way most likely.
 

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