Big 12 Conference Realignment

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Just wait until November when a bunch of three loss Big Ten and SEC schools start leapfrogging one loss, big 12 and ACC schools and Notre Dame crawls just inside the top 12 to all qualify.
I don’t bet people on message boards give me a break.
I have bet with other people on here before, your just completely wrong saying their will never be a Big12 at large bid is all
 
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I have shared my opinion about this many times. While I personally don’t see 2 Big 12 teams this year, to say we will never get 2 teams in is silly.
It’s cooked in. Let’s all meet back here when it happens then. I will gladly eat crow
 

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Well almost all the ACC teams have more value than those 3 schools, not a great bar to set. 28 schools for all sports would be wild
Yea 24 or 28 seems unmanageable. But when you think of it a conference offices main role is to maximize revenue and provide strategic leadership. There could be some revenue and cost benefits for a conference office to oversee 24-28 teams vs. 16 teams.

Also feel streaming is the wildcard in conference size. As long as Apple, Amazon, Netflix, etc have access to elite games each week like a Mich vs. Texas. Their platform profit is probably helped by more game inventory.
 

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Yes just win. You have more of a chance to get into a playoff than ever before. Win the Big12 and you’re in, no more Texas or OU. Most years the Big12 will get 2 teams in and if those teams start winning playoff games the narrative can slowly shift.

Yeah alot of years the 4th place team from the SEC or big ten will get it, it sucks and I’ve never said differently

And that's my issue with the current environment. The Big 10/SEC have made it clear their brands should get preferential treatment. Even before going through a proof of concept phase.

We heard that a few weeks ago from Nebraska's Rhule and actions by the SEC/Big10 Commissioners. They have made it clear, both conferences DESERVE at least 4 teams in the 12 team CFP every year.

With same overall and conference records Big12 & ACC schools should have equal footing in playoff selection process.

My hope is the Selection Committee is eventually dismantled and replaced 100% by computer ranking.
 

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No there is not. Big 10 and SEC is already on record to relegate the Big 12.

And this is my issue, ESPN will screw the B12 and ACC. Sparty boy doesnt want to believe it, unfortuntley for him Sparty wont join the party anytime soon. If you believe the powers that be will let more than 1 team in from the Big 12 or ACC are delusional. But here we are.
 
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Yes just win. You have more of a chance to get into a playoff than ever before. Win the Big12 and you’re in, no more Texas or OU. Most years the Big12 will get 2 teams in and if those teams start winning playoff games the narrative can slowly shift.

Yeah alot of years the 4th place team from the SEC or big ten will get it, it sucks and I’ve never said differently
A 2nd Big 12 team better f***ing get in. Every f***ing year. Absolute horsesh*t if not.
 

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Big 10 and SEC are loaded with high level recruits, good coaches, and NIL money. They should get more teams in the CFP. It is no different than when the Big 12 gets a bunch of teams in the basketball Tournament over the other leagues.

Apples to Oranges. The SEC and B10 are top heavy,, the rest get propped up by the media.
 
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Big 10 and SEC are loaded with high level recruits, good coaches, and NIL money. They should get more teams in the CFP. It is no different than when the Big 12 gets a bunch of teams in the basketball Tournament over the other leagues.
Good point! No need to even play the games. Start the playoff in September with the most loaded teams.
 

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Big 10 and SEC are loaded with high level recruits, good coaches, and NIL money. They should get more teams in the CFP. It is no different than when the Big 12 gets a bunch of teams in the basketball Tournament over the other leagues.
As time goes on, it’s seeming more and more than onfield results don’t matter like they used to. The “eye test” is bs.

Gameday discussion was talking today about how it may be better to not play in the conference championship game so you can rest and then get a home game in round 1. That’s wild to me. But I’m
also a believer that a conference title loser shouldn’t play for a national championship.

Throw in the controversy of pre-season rankings where 9 SEC teams are cherry-picked into the Top 25 and the system is rife for abuse.
 
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As time goes on, it’s seeming more and more than onfield results don’t matter like they used to. The “eye test” is bs.

Gameday discussion was talking today about how it may be better to not play in the conference championship game so you can rest and then get a home game in round 1. That’s wild to me. But I’m
also a believer that a conference title loser shouldn’t play for a national championship.

Throw in the controversy of pre-season rankings where 9 SEC teams are cherry-picked into the Top 25 and the system is rife for abuse.
I was one that thought they should basically make the conf champ game the actual first round of the play off.

If you cant make your conf championship, and win it, then what are you doing in the Playoff. If they want to make those not matter, then why play them, Hell why play the season games. If they are just going to pick those that win the popularity contest, then none of it matters.

Just declare the 12 teams to start the season and get it over with, Because we all know they will do everything to make 8+ of the teams come from those 2 conferences regardless.

My guess most years we will see 5 teams from the SEC, 4 Teams from the B1G, 1 from each of the B12, ACC, and G5. If ND can sneak in then it would be 4 each from the SEC and B1G.

And in no way do I think the 4th or 5th place team in the SEC/B1G should be in ahead of the 2nd place in the B12 or ACC. But we all know that will be the case. Which Is how you will see Iowa sneak in, in a year like this when they continue to have a creampuff schedule, but are in the Mighty B1G. :rolleyes:

The Bias BS of the system is the problem and it will continue to be the problem.
 

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Yes just win. You have more of a chance to get into a playoff than ever before. Win the Big12 and you’re in, no more Texas or OU. Most years the Big12 will get 2 teams in and if those teams start winning playoff games the narrative can slowly shift.

Yeah alot of years the 4th place team from the SEC or big ten will get it, it sucks and I’ve never said differently
I want to add, we dont really have that much of a better chance. Easier schedule, maybe, but still really the same chance.

Before, we had to win the B12 to get in although not guaranteed, because they needed to make sure they gave multiple spots to the SEC.

Now we still have to win the B12 to get in.

All they did was add a bunch more spots for more SEC and B1G teams.
 
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As time goes on, it’s seeming more and more than onfield results don’t matter like they used to. The “eye test” is bs.

Gameday discussion was talking today about how it may be better to not play in the conference championship game so you can rest and then get a home game in round 1. That’s wild to me. But I’m
also a believer that a conference title loser shouldn’t play for a national championship.

Throw in the controversy of pre-season rankings where 9 SEC teams are cherry-picked into the Top 25 and the system is rife for abuse.

This new setup will be a schatshow for years to come. At least basketball is fair, you either win or don't.
 
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Big 10 and SEC are loaded with high level recruits, good coaches, and NIL money. They should get more teams in the CFP. It is no different than when the Big 12 gets a bunch of teams in the basketball Tournament over the other leagues.
But it shouldn't be decided before games are played. Each season should start with a clean slate. The 12 team playoff is new, so mix of teams shouldn't be pre-determined. Sure SEC has shown to have ultra-elite teams. But are the 2nd tier Big 10/SEC teams better than 2nd tier Big12/ACC.

The Big12 has gotten more hoops teams because of ranking services say so that season. Sure the Big12 may play games to max the NET, but is that any different than the SEC gaming football rankings by only playing 8 conference games.

I can guarantee you the Big12 will stop getting the benefit of the doubt quickly if teams don't perform in the NCAA Tournament and our non-con W/L isn't strong against other power conferences.
 
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