Big 12 Conference Realignment

[t-noah]

In the past 20 years they have more individual teams with national championships than the Big 12 has appearances. What’re we doing here?

We are standing up for our conference. What are you doing here?

You may have an argument that the Big and SEC deserve more due to past accomplishments, and that is a point in your favor, yes. But stacking the deck favoring those two conferences in the future, to the tune of 2 to 3 times greater revenue, and more teams in any playoff, regardless of simply wins/losses is not entirely fair either.

In an alternate universe there could have been greater revenue given to the Packers, Cowboys, Giants, Steelers, Redskins, 49ers, in the NFL, because they were the better teams, in years past. There would be no revenue sharing The better, more historically sound teams would not have a salary cap. The lesser teams would habitually struggle on an annual basis to stay relevant.

But in the NFL, that didn't happen, and there is revenue and profit sharing. There are salary cap rules that apply to all. Each year the lower teams have a chance to move up in the draft order. Things are built for parity. And guess what, the NFL is doing very well, thank you.

Standing up for the SEC and B1G is not popular here, right or wrong (it is wrong), and has no benefit to the whole of college football or college sports.

 

[t-noah]

But you get that TCU was in no more control of playing 12 games than Ohio State was of playing 6 right? That's part of why it was such a farce. I could go on, there are dozens and dozens of perfectly irrational choices the committee made that all worked against TCU and worked for Ohio State, often in exact opposite directions of what would be consistent.

They still had a choice to make in 2020 and they chose pure irrational favoritism against all of their previous criteria.

I don't think I'm that crazy for seeing those two years where they clearly rigged the criteria (in opposite direction of being consistent), and suspecting they may do it in future years. There's a reason the BCS used to have a computer component and the committee doesn't use it much, if at all.

It was a Covid year. It doesn’t count and you can’t draw anything from it. No one does, it’s why everyone got an extra year of eligibility because the year was so far off what you can expect. I have zero problem with you saying TCU should have gotten in and I even agree but it’s also a covid year that you legit can’t extrapolate anything from.

So in a regular year 12FBS/1FCS vs 12FBS games is some massive thing. But in covid year you just have to ignore 11FBS vs 6FBS. Nah.

Our friendly spartan has yet to come back with the "just win the game(s)" argument of late. Oh, yeah, they only played 6 games that year. You can't hold that against them.

 

[ClubCy]

We are standing up for our conference. What are you doing here?

You may have an argument that the Big and SEC deserve more due to past accomplishments, and that is a point in your favor, yes. But stacking the deck favoring those two conferences in the future, to the tune of 2 to 3 times greater revenue, and more teams in any playoff, regardless of simply wins/losses is not entirely fair either.

In an alternate universe there could have been greater revenue given to the Packers, Cowboys, Giants, Steelers, Redskins, 49ers, in the NFL, because they were the better teams, in years past. There would be no revenue sharing The better, more historically sound teams would not have a salary cap. The lesser teams would habitually struggle on an annual basis to stay relevant.

But in the NFL, that didn't happen, and there is revenue and profit sharing. There are salary cap rules that apply to all. Each year the lower teams have a chance to move up in the draft order. Things are built for parity. And guess what, the NFL is doing very well, thank you.

Standing up for the SEC and B1G is not popular here, right or wrong (it is wrong), and has no benefit to the whole of college football or college sports.

I was simply replying to a poster who said outside of Bama and Georgia the SEC and Big 12 are equal and the same. Which is just plain as day wrong. It’s ok to admit that they have been the best conference.

I never referenced playoff spots or rankings. In fact, I’ve been one of the ones convincing people our conference can and will get multiple bids but thank for the letting me know what the NFL salary cap and draft process is like.

 

[ClubCy]

There is a little recency bias here. The first seven years of BCS, SEC only won 1 championship outright.

Thank you for proving my point that they have been far and away the best conference in America in the last decade +.

 

[t-noah]

It was an outlier for the B1G maybe. The rest of us, not so much.

It affected all of us, purple green, red or blue.

 

[t-noah]

I was simply replying to a poster who said outside of Bama and Georgia the SEC and Big 12 are equal and the same. Which is just plain as day wrong. It’s ok to admit that they have been the best conference.

I never referenced playoff spots or rankings. In fact, I’ve been one of the ones convincing people our conference can and will get multiple bids but thank for the letting me know what the NFL salary cap and draft process is like.

Sure, anything else I can do, let me know.

 

[t-noah]

sounds like they're intentionally being obtuse. nut cup brainrot mentality.

Sorry if some of us don't measure up to your elite standards.

 

[NWICY]

The “metrics” in basketball are about 17 million time more meaningful than college football. There’s simply WAY more games played, more teams, a mountain more data, more cross-matchups, etc.

So yes, I correctly plan on bringing up the Big 12 gauntlet for this upcoming MBB season.

Meanwhile, SEC football schedules are “gauntlets” because some doucher named Paul Finebaum said so.

Is the SEC still taking like a wk 8 break where they schedule a d2 team? Gauntlet my *ss.

 

[2speedy1]

It affected all of us, purple green, red or blue.

I agree it affected us, but everyone in different ways and different reasons.

Not all of us had the rules bent or outright changed to benefit us. Some of us pull on our big boy pants and bucked up and made the best of what we were dealt. While others hid in their locker rooms and cried scared, and having the rules catered to them in order to let them out of any and all challenges.

Some of us weathered the storm and succeeded. While others weathered nothing, forfeited and ran away scared only to have the BS bias system reward them for their cowardes.

Then there are the ones that want to ignore that the outrageous bias and double standards exist, that conveniently want to disregard that year all together. Why? Because it proved some managed the issues with expertise, and did not use them as an excuse for everything, all the while others, abused the system to get special treatment. All of which hurts their narrative, so they just want to ignore that year to save face.

I agree there were challenges etc, and it all affected us all in one way or another, I just dont believe in ignoring that year or using it as an excuse for everything.

 

[cyclones500]

Is the SEC still taking like a wk 8 break where they schedule a d2 team? Gauntlet my *ss.

Actually, it's front-heavy in SEC schedule for FCS this season, surprisingly.

Aug. 31
Arkansas vs. UAPB
Auburn vs. Albama A&M
Ole Miss vs. Furman
Mississippi State vs. Eastern Kentucky
Missouri vs. Murray State
Tennessee vs. Chattanooga
Sept. 7
Florida vs. Samford
Georgia vs. Tennessee Tech
LSU vs. Nicholls
Texas A&M vs. McNeese State
Vanderbilt vs. Alcorn State
Nov. 2
Oklahoma vs. Maine
Nov. 16
Alabama vs. Mercer
Kentucky vs. Murray State
Nov. 23
South Carolina vs. Wofford
(Texas does not play an FCS opponent in 2024)

 

[Nolaeer]

If the Big 12 deserves respect, it has to win games. There was a lot of noise about taking away the Big East auto BCS berth away--that stopped very quickly when WVU beat SEC champion Georgia in the Sugar Bowl that was played in Atlanta. basically, a UGA home game.

The Big 12 needs to win. Nothing else really matters. And it starts this year.

 

[t-noah]

If the Big 12 deserves respect, it has to win games. There was a lot of noise about taking away the Big East auto BCS berth away--that stopped very quickly when WVU beat SEC champion Georgia in the Sugar Bowl that was played in Atlanta. basically, a UGA home game.

The Big 12 needs to win. Nothing else really matters. And it starts this year.

Good for you guys! 2006, 38-35 WV! Fake punt for 10 yds to keep the ball with just over 1 min left, near mid-field, to seal the win.

Not that great of a memory. I looked it up!

 

[t-noah]

If the Big 12 deserves respect, it has to win games. There was a lot of noise about taking away the Big East auto BCS berth away--that stopped very quickly when WVU beat SEC champion Georgia in the Sugar Bowl that was played in Atlanta. basically, a UGA home game.

The Big 12 needs to win. Nothing else really matters. And it starts this year.

This of course, is true. The odds of winning against many of the SEC and B1G teams are annually decreasing overall, however. This due to the higher athletic budgets, greater NIL monies, better facilities, and therefore better recruiting of the D2 schools.

Generally speaking, that is. But each year, due to the monetary advantages of the D2 schools over all the others, winning becomes more of a challenge for the "Joneses".

 

[Kinch]

Thank you for proving my point that they have been far and away the best conference in America in the last decade +.

Ummmm NO.

 

[clonedude]

I think it would take a miracle for the Big 12 to get 2 teams in.

 

[jctisu]

I think it would take a miracle for the Big 12 to get 2 teams in.

I don’t think it’s a miracle. But we need a couple of teams that clearly distance themselves with 0, 1 or 2 losses (with that 2-loss team winning the title game against the unbeaten team).

Notre Dame losing and having a bad year is nice too in order to free up a spot.

The Big 12 outside of OU and Texas always needed to at most lose a single game in a season to get into the CFP, so that hasn’t really changed. It sucks the Big Ten and SEC are going to get more and have the ability to lose multiple games. Our teams can only control what they can control and that’s to go out and win.

It’s the hand that was dealt.

 

[MugNight]

I don’t think it’s a miracle. But we need a couple of teams that clearly distance themselves with 0, 1 or 2 losses (with that 2-loss team winning the title game against the unbeaten team).

Notre Dame losing and having a bad year is not too in order to free up a spot.

The Big 12 outside of OU and Texas always needed to at most lose a single game in a season to get into the CFP, so that hasn’t really changed. It sucks the Big Ten and SEC are going to get more and have the ability to lose multiple games. Our teams can only control what they can control and that’s to go out and win.

It’s the hand that was dealt.

Feels like XII needs ND to go 8-4. A 9-3 ND is ripe for a CFP appearance. Lots of TV eyeballs for the Irish.

 

[Clone95]

I think it would take a miracle for the Big 12 to get 2 teams in.

Do you not think TCU would have gotten in in 2022? They lost the CCG and still made the 4 team playoff.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

I think the path where the Big 12 could get screwed is if the conference has a 2-loss team.

A 1-loss or undefeated B12 team will make the CFP. A 3-loss team won’t make it. A two-loss team is probably going to be on the bubble and is 50/50 if they make it.

 

[Nolaeer]

Good for you guys! 2006, 38-35 WV! Fake punt for 10 yds to keep the ball with just over 1 min left, near mid-field, to seal the win.

Not that great of a memory. I looked it up!

Actually WVU blew the heavily favored UGA Bulldogs out of the stadium. I was there. Most of the UGA fans left at the half or shortly afterwards. WVU 28 UGA 0 at the half if memory serves.
Only RROD playing not to lose in the 4th made it close.