Big 12 Conference Realignment
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To be fair, that would depend on who the other loss is to for Penn State, and who the 2 losses are for WVU.
Why only one or the other? The way you are bluntly putting it, option two pertains the most here, IMO.
And how will you phrase this in 5-10 years, when Campbell has accepted a new position in the NFL, or heaven forbid, the OSU, let's say? And when we cannot even compete with the top 1/2 of our conference, let alone beyond that?
Exactly this, and also head to head would play a factor if the other losses were semi even
When was the last time that anything was "fair" about these matters? I agree that if one were attempting fairness those things would matter. I also agree that "fairness" should be sought.
FWIW I like UConn better than about half of the likely ACC leftovers. I’m not a fan of the Gonzaga idea though. It just won’t be needed. It might be something the Pac should’ve done years ago though.
I feel I need to say this to you. I do admire you. I admire the passion and the interest in sports and your desire to debate and engage in some of the issues. Of course, I admire your profession and training, even if the medical model frustrates me at times also. And I don't mind you being here, at all. I hope you feel like you can continue to come here, even if sometimes, myself or others may disagree with your POV.
I am realizing that I really have no business telling others what to do or how to think anyway. I have anxiety issues and the last thing I want to do is to boss others. I struggle with how to live and do things, no need to give advice. I do like listening to others people's opinions, most of the time. I know CF is not the place to try to talk to someone when you are down. I guess I'm a little down tonight.
Hopefully things will be better tomorrow. And college FB starts soon so that will be great! You and I are fine (from my point of view). I hope I didn't upset you too much.
zero worries my man, never once had a negitive thought towards ya. It’s an internet message board about college sports that people really love, didn’t think you were ever out of line.
Sorry you’re feeling down. I know there are plenty of others on here who would agree but you’ve always got people to talk to when going through stuff
We are talking conferences not teams. Of course Clemson winning has bolstered their brand, but it didn’t do **** for the ACC. And that’s the point because until recently with Michigan, the Big Ten has been Ohio State and that’s it from a true national title contending point. Yet the Big Ten is viewed as this amazing conference in football when truthfully it’s Ohio State, Michigan (recently) and a lot of mediocre to garbage. Florida State and Clemson have won and played for titles in the last 15 years yet it’s only helped them, not the perception of the ACC.
So for the Big 12 if a team wins a title it’s going to help them but not the Big 12 unless the Big 12 goes on a SEC tear where we have multiple teams win national titles in football over the course of 15 years or so.
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12 spots among 34 teams, who already played each other during the season. It would water down their “playoffs” significantly. I think there would be nearly as much viewing interest in the playoffs of the not-B1G/SEC group. Then wait til Kentucky fans realize that they are ineligible to compete for the college basketball national title. Instead they get to play for the B1G/SEC title, which would be like a 2nd conference tournament that most people wouldn’t care about.
I’m serious. Sankey and whoever the B1G commish is these days would cry bloody murder if this happened. Right now they get to have their cake and eat it too. So blow it up.
I get the Kentucky playing for national title argument, but what isn't the concern that the NCAA tournament could become 2nd tier if the schools that are paying top dollar and will eventually over time end up with all the good players, and that new league would be defacto the "real" title winner in bball also?
an NCAA tournament without the teams in the SEC and BIG would make a huge impact on the NCAA revenue.
I don't think this will happen, because each side still needs each other IMO. A league with 40 teams (half of the sucks azz) is going to get old quickly. kind of fun at first like the LIV tour.
Hopefully the money sucking greedy aholes in those two leagues understand that.
literally no reason to grab gonzaga. would much rather have wsu and osu
But don't forget about that wildcard mystery stat that the committee will seemingly pull out of their a$$ to justify their mission of getting the 12 best
No offense, but the media IMO would be loving a 3rd conference raking in $$$ as overall conference numbers would be greater than shoving them into 2 conferences. I really think the bean counters have already run those numbers and the B12 is their guinea pig experiment.
One of the most mature, honest, and integrity based posts I've ever read. You've raised the bar. Hopefully, others can appreciate and learn from you.
I will take a wait & see attitude on how the 12 team CFP plays out, but am skeptical it won't be an SEC/Big10 love fest.
If it comes down to identical 10-2 teams and one is in Big10/SEC and other is in ACC/Big12- then I think your resume argument is valid. This is also know on CF as the "just win" argument.
What I am fearful is going to happen based on Big10/SEC statements on automatically having 4 teams and continued use of a selection committee is:
- A team like Iowa State or NC State is going to go 10-2, with both losses in conference.
- A team like Texas, Penn State, LSU or USC is going to go 9-3 or even 8-4 with all their losses to teams that are consensus top 10 teams.
- The selection committee will take the Big10/SEC team over the ACC/Big12 team. The argument by Big10/SEC teams will be SOS & quality of losses. My issue is Texas, PSU, LSU and USC had the opportunity to play the consensus playoff teams during the regular season and lost. Give the 10-2 Big12 & ACC teams a chance to beat the elites.
There have been a lot of posts touting historical SEC dominance of the 4 team CFP. That is PROVEN by National Champions. But that isn't what the arguement of Big10/SEC preferential treatment centers around. The arguement centers around are the 3rd/4th best SEC/Big10 teams AUTOMATICALLY BETTER than the 2nd/3rd best ACC/Big12 teams.
Fox reportedly opposes UConn joining Big 12
amp.awfulannouncing.com
Not a great source but with the big east deal recently finalized I was wondering about this.
In the end, the Big12 team will have to have a COMPELLING case, a clear advantage over the P2 team. Like 90/10 obvious. If it's 50/50, or even 70/30, the branding will win the argument. It always has.
Even the last couple years they have spelled out the committees goal was to find "best" NOT "most deserving". So even if your record is DEMONSTRABLY better, you could still get shafted. And will.
Two extra mouths to feed that have ****** football programs over an elite basketball program that will pay for itself is, well, a choice.
