When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
- Thread starter dmclone
- Start date
I had an EV but traded it in a year ago and went back to ICE. Charging took too long and the Tesla charging stations near me usually had a 15-20 minute wait time before even hopping on the charging station. Prices at the charging stations were also increasing to the point where charging was not cheaper than gas. I was quoted $1,200 to install the right plug in my garage, negating any kind of savings that would have provided. EV's are also insanely expensive. The whole trying to force people to go EV when you can't find a single one for under $40k is absolutely outrageous and shows you how out of touch these rich politicians are with the rest of the world. Once prices come down, energy costs come down, and charging is more readily available and faster, I might switch back to EV. For at least the next 3-4 years, I'm sticking with ICE.
LOL wut
So much misinformation here.
I'll just flat out debunk your $40k line right here.
But sure go on....
My son's Rivian SUV was couple dollars more than that $40K. By the way, he has already gone back to ICE.
The price of a new Tesla Model 3 varies depending on the trim and options, but here are some starting prices:
- Rear-wheel drive: The base model with a single motor starts at $40,380.
- Long range: The dual-motor, all-wheel-drive Long Range model starts at $49,130.
- Performance: The Performance model costs around $55,380.
I just have a standard 240v outlet in the garage and then use the Tesla mobile charger that came with the car. Had to buy a new 14-50 plug end for it. Works well and I get an 8kW charge with it. Good enough for me, just plug it in when I get home and the next morning it's ready to go.
I am never ever ever going back to ICE cars, this thing is so nice and quiet.
Trucks with short beds trigger me. What are you even going to put in a 4ft bed?
My old 98 Dodge Grand Voyager, with the seats out, had an 8ft bed and I hauled a LOT of 4x8ft plywood and drywall in that beast.
Look at the lowest grade Model 3 in that link. It's $514 a month for 72 months with $3,999 down (to buy). 514x72+3999=$41,007. That price provided also throws in an $83 a month "savings" that Tesla factored into the price, so actual price is even higher. Not sure what's so difficult about coming to the conclusion that it's $40k for the cheapest EV. There are only 5 EV's that are under $40k and none have a range higher than 240 miles (https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g40605495/cheapest-electric-cars/).
I owned a 2021 Tesla 3 long range all wheel drive. Loved the speed and quietness of the ride, but I live right outside of DC where there are too many Tesla's for the amount of charging stations they had. In addition, it takes 45 minutes if you want to get to an 85% charge. When I first got my Tesla it would be about $19 to add 250 miles of range. By the end it was $27 to add 250 miles of range at the Tesla charging stations. Range then ends up being about 80% of what it says. 250x0.80=200 miles of range for $28. The average price of gas is $3.22 per gallon right now and average personal vehicle is about 29 mpg. To get 200 miles at 29 mpg it costs $22.20. Charging at a Tesla station is not cheaper than gas when you crunch the numbers. Call an electrician and have them quote you a price to install a charging plug with proper permitting (I wouldn't risk it being installed without a permit because if something goes wrong you're on the hook for it all). You can't get a quote in the DC area for under $1,000 (I had gotten a few quotes that averaged out to $1,200 if you include the cost of having to buy the correct materials from Tesla).
I'm not anti-EV at all. Sharing my personal experience from having one for a little over two years. It's still extremely early in the game and EV's have a very long way to go. Not sure why you're calling me out for misinformation when you aren't bothering to do basic math. Please do your research next time.
Why do you charge at superchargers all the time, those are for trips only. Charge in your garage. And if you don't have a garage, then an EV is not a good choice.
That truck looks like a person needs an ass kicking.
Bring this sweet bastid back and let's call it a win
Sorry, but this is a lot of user error.
It has a 5 foot bed. Still short by your definition. Seems like it would be a good fit for Europe, maybe not great utility here in the USA where we seem to supersize everything.
Good point on the mini-van. Not much that any regular family needs to haul that can't fit. Borrowed my niece's Odyssey to drive to Milwaukee to pick up a big ass piece of furniture. Saved me renting a pickup and didn't have to lift that as high.
Living near DC I lived in a high rise condo when I bought the car. Putting a charging station in my spot that is 3 floors below grade would've cost me an arm and a leg to do (core drill through concrete, run 300'+ of copper, etc).. I just bought a townhouse but the price to permit and install was high. I would only charge to 80 or 85% at the superchargers as a way to not destroy the battery. Unfortunately, if you don't have a charger at home then it's either use a supercharger or charge at some other brand generic charging station and it takes hours to get charged up to 80-85%.
Completely agree. Outside of bulk dirt/mulch I have used our vans as to haul quite a bit. Plus if you go to the dump they are charged less than pickups and you have the built in cover so you don't have to worry about tarp issues and getting fines on top of that.
As far as $40k EVs go. How many new vehicles of similar trim etc. can you find for under $40k?
If you can't charge at home, an EV doesn't make sense to own. Buying an EV but treating it like an ICE is the worst of both worlds. EVs aren't for every situation.
How am I treating it like ICE? There are many garages, including one on a job I was on, where I could park in the garage and charge it during work. The price still ended up being similar to the Tesla supercharging prices. I used a supercharger on average of 2x a month. If it's going to cost $1,200 for permitting and install of the proper plug in a garage after material, and it's $10 less than gas to charge, it still takes 2-3 years to recoup your money spent to put in a charging station.
Another point that I didn't bring up before was the car taxes in Arlington County were insane. Car values for EV's were massively overvalued, causing me to pay a lot of money every year on my vehicle tax, Vehicle registration costs for an EV in the state of Virginia are $128 a year and an ICE vehicle is roughly $36. Financially the math doesn't favor EV's right now and you won't save money buying one. Not until it's cheaper to buy one.
