Friday AI - We welcome our robot overlords

enisthemenace

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It has nothing to do about evolving. If I’m hiring someone, I want to know they can think and express on their own. If they can’t even write their own resume, it tells me they can’t perform the job I’m asking them to do
That is a stretch, in my opinion, unless your business and the job you’re hiring for is one that simply writes resumes.

If your job entails more than writing resumes, the ability to write one has little bearing on actual job performance.
 

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The next major war will be fought using AI.
what makes you think the current wars aren't being fought using AI?

think about what is available to the general public, and now think about what would be available to a nearly trillion dollar defense budget.
 
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Ah yes, the resume and cover letter, the gold standard for showing off one's creativity and self-expression.
That’s fine. I’m never going to hire someone who obviously didn’t write their own resume or cover letter. I guess just take your chance
 

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I’m in the resume reading business. Just forewarning y’all. Be careful. Hiring managers aren’t stupid and can pick out pretty easily if you didn’t actually write your own resume. It’s pretty obvious after about 10 minutes on a phone interview.
In your weird boomer hypothetical didn't you already hire the guy that used AI to write his resume? What does it say about a hiring manage that can't tell a resume that's written by AI? I'd probably just quit that job anyways.
 

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I wonder...

From 1966:

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and just this week


The argument that machines create more jobs...for machines...is actually a plus, wouldn't you say?


Are there any modern innovations that didn't have drawbacks when first introduced? None that I can think of.

This technology is well past this. It literally has the potential to cause civil disturbance.

We're bending humanity to fit the technology. We're losing the ability to reason. To determine what is real or fiction.

I'm not bullish on our AI future.
 

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I’m in the resume reading business. Just forewarning y’all. Be careful. Hiring managers aren’t stupid and can pick out pretty easily if you didn’t actually write your own resume. It’s pretty obvious after about 10 minutes on a phone interview.
The phone interview is a completely different thing and fair enough to make a judgement on. AI doesn’t assist there.

So, my question now is, as a resume reader, if you spot a resume that you believe was assisted by AI, do you not even bother with the phone interview? It seems you do not, since you are now adding the phone interview into things. Have you then passed on 100% of applicants that you suspect leveraged AI on their resume?

If you’re honest, you know you haven’t, or you’re not as good at picking out AI assistance as you think you are.
 

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That’s fine. I’m never going to hire someone who obviously didn’t write their own resume or cover letter. I guess just take your chance

I guess that depends on one's ability to sniff out what is "obviously" not original work. But I would place the odds that you have already hired someone who didn't write their own resume or cover letter at 100%.
 

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In your weird boomer hypothetical didn't you already hire the guy that used AI to write his resume? What does it say about a hiring manage that can't tell a resume that's written by AI? I'd probably just quit that job anyways.
Huh?? Whatever dude. I’m done. Not worth the effort. Keep letting computers do the **** you don’t want to do. Don’t come here pissed off that you are so oppressed. Trying to actually give you some advice. In the corporate world, you won’t get any sympathy and you won’t be allowed to rely on AI. good luck.
 
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I think what many of those of us who use AI are saying is that we wouldn’t ever use it for something important, but it is great at generating the mundane or day-to-day. If I need to write a business email thanking clients for a meeting, I can save myself time for other more important tasks if I use AI to get a starting point. I was at a meeting about a year ago where Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google, was asked how he uses AI. He said that he uses it to write mundane emails that he needs to save time on.

I don’t overall love generative AI for the entire composition of a photograph, as I do some art stuff. But for spot corrections where there was a tiny fire hydrant in the way or something like that, it is incredibly helpful. I can do that manually, but AI can do it so much more efficiently.
 

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Recently I had a list of 120,000 contacts. Some were people, some were companies and groups.

I used it to help me identify what was likely a person vs a company or group. I think that’s been the biggest impact for me. Quickly processing large datasets in a way that would take a person days.
 
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This technology is well past this. It literally has the potential to cause civil disturbance.

Just to play devil's advocate...

Mankind has always had that. There was no AI during the Civil War here or in many other countries. Moving other people to action is one of the purposes of language.

We're bending humanity to fit the technology. We're losing the ability to reason. To determine what is real or fiction.

Science is proving that animals other than humans have the ability to reason.

As for determining what is real or fiction, again, mankind has always fallen for hoaxes.

Remember The National Enquirer? Or even, this tidbit from Iowa history (I remember learning about this in 8th grade...)


I'm not bullish on our AI future.

As in all things, people are right to be cautious.

But our ability to reason also allows us to look at the issue with open minds.
 

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As a hiring manager. Which I am. I would never hire someone who took a short cut. It says more about their work effort than anything. Call me old school. That’s fine. But young adults out there looking for jobs need to know that us “old farts”
are actually taking these things into account when hiring.

Do you use Indeed, ZipRecruiter, or any other hiring site? If so, you're taking a short cut!
 

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I use it a lot for software questions I have. The software is very specialized and it works great as long as I am detailed about my needs.

For very general things, I find it to be wrong a lot. Like data questions where it's provable that it's very wrong. This has been the case with both ChatGPT and Gemini.

I've used to it write feedback on co-workers. "Provide feedback for jeremy who is a software engineer. He only has 6 months with the company, but he has impressed me with his technical skills." I then look it over and modify the next question. "In his overall, mention how well he does with his communication". 2 seconds later I have this, which i can modify to fit the situation:

Revised Feedback:

  • Technical Proficiency: Jeremy's strong technical skills are evident in his work. His ability to quickly grasp new concepts and apply them effectively is impressive, especially considering his relatively short tenure.
  • Problem-Solving: Jeremy has demonstrated a solid problem-solving approach. He is able to analyze complex issues, identify root causes, and propose effective solutions.
  • Adaptability: He has shown a willingness to adapt to new technologies and work environments. This adaptability is crucial in a rapidly evolving field like software engineering.
  • Communication: While Jeremy's technical skills are excellent, he is still developing his communication skills. While he effectively communicates technical concepts to other engineers, he could benefit from improving his ability to explain complex topics to non-technical stakeholders.
Areas for Growth:

  • Documentation: Ensuring thorough and accurate documentation of his work is essential for maintaining knowledge continuity and facilitating knowledge transfer. Jeremy could focus on improving his documentation practices, including writing clear and concise comments in code and creating comprehensive documentation for new features or changes.
Overall:

Jeremy has made a strong impression with his technical skills and problem-solving abilities. While he is still developing his communication skills, his overall performance is promising. By focusing on areas for growth, such as documentation and communication, he can continue to excel in his role and contribute significantly to the team.
 

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I think what many of those of us who use AI are saying is that we wouldn’t ever use it for something important, but it is great at generating the mundane or day-to-day. If I need to write a business email thanking clients for a meeting, I can save myself time for other more important tasks if I use AI to get a starting point. I was at a meeting about a year ago where Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google, was asked how he uses AI. He said that he uses it to write mundane emails that he needs to save time on.

I don’t overall love generative AI for the entire composition of a photograph, as I do some art stuff. But for spot corrections where there was a tiny fire hydrant in the way or something like that, it is incredibly helpful. I can do that manually, but AI can do it so much more efficiently.
Sorry to derail this thread. There is a place for AI though I may not know what place it has and I would rather not use it. not for important tasks though. I still think that most people, especially those who already know you, will instantly identify that you used AI.
 

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As a hiring manager. Which I am. I would never hire someone who took a short cut. It says more about their work effort than anything. Call me old school. That’s fine. But young adults out there looking for jobs need to know that us “old farts”
are actually taking these things into account when hiring.

And which may or may not be a reason for potential high turnover when obsessing over how a resume is constructed is just one red flag for how the company operates.
 

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I love technology and appreciate all the good things but it also scares the crap out of me.
A co-worker and I were talking about cars yesterday and he mentioned he wanted to get a Tacoma because the 2024 was the last one with a manual transmission.
Guess what "Article" my phones google browser had in my feed this morning? A story on the Tacoma being the last truck with a manual. WTH.......
 

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And which may or may not be a reason for potential high turnover when obsessing over how a resume is constructed is just one red flag for how the company operates.
I’ll disagree. But that’s fine. No high turnover. Probably because we don’t hirer people who take short cuts. I’ve passed on people who were more articulate on paper but weren’t in person or on the phone. Just saying that it actually makes you look better if the interviewer knows you wrote your own resume and coned letter b
 

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Every time I see the commercials where the gal lies to someone that she remembers everything I have a cringey feeling. So that is the selling point for AI? That you can pretend to be smarter than you are?

Hopefully AI does a much better job of vetting it's information sources than the average American or we are doomed.
 
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I wonder...

From 1966:

View attachment 135129

and just this week


The argument that machines create more jobs...for machines...is actually a plus, wouldn't you say?


Are there any modern innovations that didn't have drawbacks when first introduced? None that I can think of.

I think there's an incredibly clear line to be drawn at machines that learn and think creatively, especially machines that learn at exponential rates.

AI is already infinitely more like a complex life form than a calculator, assembly line robot or basic computer software of the past 50 years.

I'm under no illusions it can be stopped or banned, but my hope is people can think about the dangers it clearly the way we at least try to think about nuclear war and pandemics clearly.