When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[isucy86]

Rivian is helping VW make the Scout.

But only from a software standpoint right? Based on what I've seen/read the Scout is even separate from VW and has it's own platform and is standalone manufacturing/development.

Initial production for the Scout isn't til 2026/27 - so a lot can happen between now and then. But based on video's I've seen, they did well with prototype they released.

 

[RedlineSi]

But only from a software standpoint right? Based on what I've seen/read the Scout is even separate from VW and has it's own platform and is standalone manufacturing/development.

Initial production for the Scout isn't til 2026/27 - so a lot can happen between now and then. But based on video's I've seen, they did well with prototype they released.

Software right now, but I have read they might be helping with the drivetrain as well.

 

[dmclone]

The Scout looks like the Rivian, but the Rivian looks like the original Scout. It also looks a lot like the Bronco. IMO, all are pretty good looking.

I am a little disappointed that their long range option uses a gas engine.

 

[isucy86]

The Scout looks like the Rivian, but the Rivian looks like the original Scout. It also looks a lot like the Bronco. IMO, all are pretty good looking.

I am a little disappointed that their long range option uses a gas engine.

Its a prototype and production is a few years away. My guess is if battery capacity improves over next couple years they could rethink the ICE to gain another 100-150 miles range.

 

[HFCS]

The Scout looks like the Rivian, but the Rivian looks like the original Scout. It also looks a lot like the Bronco. IMO, all are pretty good looking.

I am a little disappointed that their long range option uses a gas engine.

I'm guessing it's a big sacrifice for daily driving to carry around something people will only really need a handful of times, other than maybe a few people that live in an incredibly remote area or head to some extremely remote destinations.

Like I just said on my post, i went from almost 0 sea level LA, up to a trailhead 250 miles away at 10k feet elevation with my Solterra that has famously low 239 mile range. The area in between is mostly empty desert. You'd need to do something like that, but also do a long off road adventure after on top of it to really need serious range extension. I parked at the trailhead with 50% of my battery, left it in 20 degree overnight temps for 5 days, came back and it was same 50%.

I know people do stuff like that with Wranglers especially, but it's really an incredibly niche thing. If it's about towing I can't pretend to know about that, but that's probably another aspect. Towing is probably more common than people who do true off road adventure.

It's not cheap but I imagine improving the 410 mile extended range Rivian is what will happen vs all of these hauling around a generator.

 

[simply1]

I'm guessing it's a big sacrifice for daily driving to carry around something people will only really need a handful of times, other than maybe a few people that live in an incredibly remote area or head to some extremely remote destinations.

Like I just said on my post, i went from almost 0 sea level LA, up to a trailhead 250 miles away at 10k feet elevation with my Solterra that has famously low 239 mile range. The area in between is mostly empty desert. You'd need to do something like that, but also do a long off road adventure after on top of it to really need serious range extension. I parked at the trailhead with 50% of my battery, left it in 20 degree overnight temps for 5 days, came back and it was same 50%.

I know people do stuff like that with Wranglers especially, but it's really an incredibly niche thing. If it's about towing I can't pretend to know about that, but that's probably another aspect. Towing is probably more common than people who do true off road adventure.

It's not cheap but I imagine improving the 410 mile extended range Rivian is what will happen vs all of these hauling around a generator.

People like capability though, so having the capability to do something overland versus not is what some people pay for. A lot of wranglers never get used even close to their potential, but still people buy them pretending they could.
I also think it matters where you live, there are plenty of legit off roading areas in the pnw and Utah, Idaho, etc.
I don’t always take my rubicon off road, but I do take it places a subie won’t make it.

 

[HFCS]

People like capability though, so having the capability to do something overland versus not is what some people pay for. A lot of wranglers never get used even close to their potential, but still people buy them pretending they could.
I also think it matters where you live, there are plenty of legit off roading areas in the pnw and Utah, Idaho, etc.
I don’t always take my rubicon off road, but I do take it places a subie won’t make it.

It was ridiculously easy to prove a comparably cheap EV could blow the doors off any high end sports car and smart that Tesla started that way before Elon even bought in.

That kind of got half of the "macho" factor out of the way immediately in terms of detractors. This other half of being able to drive deep into the backcountry or haul some heavy trailer up a mountain is quite the different challenge.

 

[simply1]

It was ridiculously easy to prove a comparably cheap EV could blow the doors off any high end sports car and smart that Tesla started that way before Elon even bought in.

That kind of got half of the "macho" factor out of the way immediately in terms of detractors. This other half of being able to drive deep into the backcountry or haul some heavy trailer up a mountain is quite the different challenge.

No doubt, there’s also the trail fix mentality. That’s why scouts 80% workable at home is important, they’re clearly targeting that demographic and people who like to think they are.

Edit: I’d never take a cyber truck with my group because of recovery reasons, etc.

 

[dmclone]

Was just looking at the size of the scout, my God it's big. 92" wide. For comparison, a cyber truck is 80". A semi trailer is 102".

 

[HFCS]

Was just looking at the size of the scout, my God it's big. 92" wide. For comparison, a cyber truck is 80". A semi trailer is 102".

I saw someone saying they could technically get a ticket for parking it on the street in Seattle.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Was just looking at the size of the scout, my God it's big. 92" wide. For comparison, a cyber truck is 80". A semi trailer is 102".

A Ford F-350 is 80" wide with single rear wheels, 96" with dual rear wheels, and 105.9" at the mirrors either way. I assume GMC/Chevy and Ram trucks and SUVs are similar.

https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-duty/models/f350-xlt/

 

[simply1]

Was just looking at the size of the scout, my God it's big. 92" wide. For comparison, a cyber truck is 80". A semi trailer is 102".

I see some people saying It’s with mirrors out, closer to 80” with mirrors in. Nothing definitive though.

 

[Clonehomer]

Can someone explain why they’d ever want a bench seat over a bucket? I thought that was a huge step forward in ergonomic design that we’d never go back.

 

[herbicide]

The best part about this whole Scout announcement

"Scout won’t be relying on traditional dealerships — instead, it’s adopting a direct-to-customer model with sales and service handled by an “exclusive” network."

Before the Tesla, my wife owned a VW and I have a hard time figuring out if VW or Kia had worse service departments. In Des Moines, I think it was actually VW.

Lithia has one of the (if not ‘the’ worst) reputations in the industry. Note that Ramsey Mazda/Subaru is actually Lithia too.

 

[dmclone]

Lithia has one of the (if not ‘the’ worst) reputations in the industry. Note that Ramsey Mazda/Subaru is actually Lithia too.

Ramsey was one of my favorites before they got bought.

 

[herbicide]

Ramsey was one of my favorites before they got bought.

We hesitantly bought a Subaru from them a year ago and our salesman was clearly ashamed about being in the Lithia family. I asked him if they planned on keeping the Ramsey name and he said they are for now and they’d better if they know what’s good for them.

 

[JP4CY]

Lithia has one of the (if not ‘the’ worst) reputations in the industry. Note that Ramsey Mazda/Subaru is actually Lithia too.

That's interesting.
We've bought through Lithia twice, most recently thru Penske, and all 3 times we've felt like it was concise, good service.

 

[dmclone]

We hesitantly bought a Subaru from them a year ago and our salesman was clearly ashamed about being in the Lithia family. I asked him if they planned on keeping the Ramsey name and he said they are for now and they’d better if they know what’s good for them.

Sounds similar to VW. We bought the tiguan before they moved to lithia. During our first service they had just switched and employees were vocally upset.

 

[herbicide]

That's interesting.
We've bought through Lithia twice, most recently thru Penske, and all 3 times we've felt like it was concise, good service.

I would advise going elsewhere for service once your warranty expires.

 

[simply1]

Can someone explain why they’d ever want a bench seat over a bucket? I thought that was a huge step forward in ergonomic design that we’d never go back.

Dogs.
Also if it folds down with cup holders and such it’s kind of cool to fit 3 in the front if you need to.
It’s an option so kind of a cool throw back imo.