Houston will be up there again later this season, but I'm not sure on Arizona. They look like a complete mess.
Big 12 still best basketball conference?
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the sec may have money, but it's chump change alongside what the Mormons have if they decide to push the BYU brand. i read somewhere they have a 264-billion-dollar war chest that could be tapped for NIL.
That figure is the entire value of the LDS. Obviously, it would only take a fraction of a percent of that to become dominant in NIL, but 1) that only benefits 1 Big XII school and 2) other schools have billionaires willing to back them, too (see: Michigan).
Honestly, I think Iowa State and Auburn should both be ahead of Tennessee. The Vols are getting a lot mileage out of their Q3 wins... Iowa State has played one more Q1 game too and our only loss is to the #1 NET team on a freaking tip in. I'm really struggling with NET this year. It's dumb how voters just move Tennessee up because they are undefeated but yeah, their resume doesn't have a major win on it.
We're at the end of the non-con season, so the relative strengths of the conferences won't change much when everybody's playing conference games.
I've heard a lot of talk of the SEC getting 10 teams into the dance which seems crazy to me. As much crap as Big 12 teams got about their OOC SOS last year I just want to point out that the SEC only has 8/16 teams with an KP OOC SOS above 197. The Big 12 has 11/16 teams above that mark.
They are a great conference this year, but the entire bottom half of that conference clearly hasn't been challenged.
I'll be shocked if the SEC has less than 12 teams in the tourney - they've dominated this year and deserve their accolades.
That said, none of this conference ranking talk really matters, its just for the stats geeks/die hard fans.
Narratives will change quickly during the tourney, and that's what matters most.
That said, none of this conference ranking talk really matters, its just for the stats geeks/die hard fans.
Narratives will change quickly during the tourney, and that's what matters most.
Yeah, it may happen but it would be crazy to be shocked if it doesn't. The bottom half of the conference has played weak OOC schedules (Oklahoma has the 12th SEC OOC SOS at 255) and 12 teams would be unprecedented. The record is the Big East in 2011 when they got 11/16 teams in to the dance.
The quant numbers aren't great, not going to argue, but OU will not be punished for beating providence, arizona, louisville, georgia tech, okie state, and michigan in the non-conf with the only GT at home.
SEC has 14 teams top 50 in the NET, 9 in the top 25, and 15 in the top 75. If "who you beat" still matters, SEC will have a zillion quad one games over the next 2 months.
The SEC is like the Secretariat of non-conf hoops - just an historic demolishing of the competition never seen before.
Going back like the last decade, the Big 12 has been the best conference. #1 most of those years, 3rd one year and 2nd a couple but overall, clearly #1. I think SEC is a clear #1 this year so I agree with you. We'll see if this is a one off or not. I don't anticipate the Big 12 to spiral backwards.
What shocks me more than anything is the steady decline of the ACC over the years.
They sold their soul for football. It doesn't get talked about with realignment but the ACC raiding the Big East football schools 20 years ago started it all and it changed that league forever. Basketball also took a hit last year with their latest 3 additions. Basketball is an afterthought to realignment but it's landscape has been drastically changed by it. ACC basketball has been slowly chipped away at over the last two decades of these changes. Its impacted all the p4 this year.
The Big 12 is hurt by Arizona not being that good, the other 3 PAC schools aren't good either but Arizona at its typical level would go a long ways to cover those schools up.
The SEC added two really solid basketball schools. OU/UT aren't amazing but they are tournament quality teams most years.
Big Ten was probably the biggest bball winner in realignment this time around.
You think the Mormon church will spend their entire savings on BYU athletics? What?
Average Home Attendance 2023-2024
[conclusion of regular season on 3/12/24]
Average by Conference:
Big 10 - 12,011
SEC - 11, 522
Big East - 10,422
Big 12 - 10,242
ACC - 10,163
MWC - 6,996
Pac12 - 6,908
Median by Conference:
Big 10 - 12,496
Big 12 - 10,200
Big East - 10,183
SEC - 9,417
ACC - 8,752
Pac12 - 7,357
MWC - 6,752
Big 12 (new teams included, UT and OU not):
9 Kansas - 16,300 [max cap 15.3K this yr]
10 BYU - 15,689
16 Arizona - 14,392
18 Iowa State - 13,868
24 Texas Tech - 12,962
36 West Virginia - 10,546
39 Kansas State - 10,206
40 Cincinnati - 10,193
48 Utah - 8,777
54 Arizona State - 8,317
66 Colorado - 7,531
69 Houston - 7,351
70 UCF - 7,226
78 Oklahoma State - 6,604
80 TCU - 6,302
Big 10 (new teams included):
7 Indiana - 16,488
11 Wisconsin - 15,496
12 Illinois - 14,990
13 Purdue - 14,876
14 Mich St - 14,979
15 Nebraska(??) - 14,597
22 Maryland - 13,283
28 Ohio St - 11,709
30 Michigan - 11,496
38 iowa** - 10,300
55 Penn St - 8,304
56 Minn - 8,140
59 Rutgers - 8,000
67 Oregon - 7,493
68 UCLA(??) -7,493
72 Wash - 7,221
81 USC - 6,302
88 N'Western - 5,704
** Iowa’s listed attendance [vs. tickets sold] average of 9,712 fans per home game ranks 10th out of the 14 teams in the Big Ten. Data obtained by The Gazette via public records requests paints an even bleaker picture about men’s basketball turnout.
In 13 [out of 18 total] home men’s basketball games — 12 regular-season games and one preseason exhibition — the Hawkeyes averaged 5,202 tickets scanned per game. -CR Gazette **
ACC (all new teams but SMU included):
1 UNC -20,593
2 Syrause - 20,288
17 Virginia - 13,992
19 NC State - 13,491
29 L'Ville - 11,504
44 Duke - 9,314
47 Wake F. - 9,026
49 Pitt - 8,752
63 Va Tech - 7,785
64 Clemson - 7,706
74 Miami - 7,159
82 FSU - 6,251
92 BC - 5,493
101 Ga Tech - 4,994
110 Cal - 4,566
133 Stanford - 3,538
SEC (texas and oklahoma included):
3 Kentucky - 19,928
4 Tenn - 19,664
5 Arkansas(?) - 19,106 (!)
21 S Carolina - 13,397
32 Bama - 11,395
33 Mizzou - 10,856
34 texa$ - 10,682
42 Tx A&M - 9,650
45 Flordia - 9,183
46 Auburn - 9,121
53 Miss St - 8,334
57 Georgia - 8,092
58 LSU - 8,029
62 oklahoma - 7,670
75 Vandy - 6,786
Big East:
6 Creighton - 17,269
8 Marquette - 16,307
25 UConn - 12,733
31 Providence - 11,369
37 Xavier - 10,316
41 St John's - 10,183
43 Nova - 9,410
50 Seton Hall - 8,748
60 Butler - 7,844
76 G'Town - 6,755
129 DePaul - 3,703 (!!)
FORMER DEFUNCT PAC12: (...was SO BAD)
16 Arizona - 14,392
48 Utah - 8,777
54 Az State - 8,317
66 Colorado - 7,531
67 Oregon - 7,493
68 UCLA - 7,493
72 Wash - 7,221
81 USC - 6,302
110 Cal - 4,566
126 Wash St - 3,823
133 Standford - 3,538
135 Oregon State - 3,441
[conclusion of regular season on 3/12/24]
Average by Conference:
Big 10 - 12,011
SEC - 11, 522
Big East - 10,422
Big 12 - 10,242
ACC - 10,163
MWC - 6,996
Pac12 - 6,908
Median by Conference:
Big 10 - 12,496
Big 12 - 10,200
Big East - 10,183
SEC - 9,417
ACC - 8,752
Pac12 - 7,357
MWC - 6,752
Big 12 (new teams included, UT and OU not):
9 Kansas - 16,300 [max cap 15.3K this yr]
10 BYU - 15,689
16 Arizona - 14,392
18 Iowa State - 13,868
24 Texas Tech - 12,962
36 West Virginia - 10,546
39 Kansas State - 10,206
40 Cincinnati - 10,193
48 Utah - 8,777
54 Arizona State - 8,317
66 Colorado - 7,531
69 Houston - 7,351
70 UCF - 7,226
78 Oklahoma State - 6,604
80 TCU - 6,302
Big 10 (new teams included):
7 Indiana - 16,488
11 Wisconsin - 15,496
12 Illinois - 14,990
13 Purdue - 14,876
14 Mich St - 14,979
15 Nebraska(??) - 14,597
22 Maryland - 13,283
28 Ohio St - 11,709
30 Michigan - 11,496
38 iowa** - 10,300
55 Penn St - 8,304
56 Minn - 8,140
59 Rutgers - 8,000
67 Oregon - 7,493
68 UCLA(??) -7,493
72 Wash - 7,221
81 USC - 6,302
88 N'Western - 5,704
** Iowa’s listed attendance [vs. tickets sold] average of 9,712 fans per home game ranks 10th out of the 14 teams in the Big Ten. Data obtained by The Gazette via public records requests paints an even bleaker picture about men’s basketball turnout.
In 13 [out of 18 total] home men’s basketball games — 12 regular-season games and one preseason exhibition — the Hawkeyes averaged 5,202 tickets scanned per game. -CR Gazette **
ACC (all new teams but SMU included):
1 UNC -20,593
2 Syrause - 20,288
17 Virginia - 13,992
19 NC State - 13,491
29 L'Ville - 11,504
44 Duke - 9,314
47 Wake F. - 9,026
49 Pitt - 8,752
63 Va Tech - 7,785
64 Clemson - 7,706
74 Miami - 7,159
82 FSU - 6,251
92 BC - 5,493
101 Ga Tech - 4,994
110 Cal - 4,566
133 Stanford - 3,538
SEC (texas and oklahoma included):
3 Kentucky - 19,928
4 Tenn - 19,664
5 Arkansas(?) - 19,106 (!)
21 S Carolina - 13,397
32 Bama - 11,395
33 Mizzou - 10,856
34 texa$ - 10,682
42 Tx A&M - 9,650
45 Flordia - 9,183
46 Auburn - 9,121
53 Miss St - 8,334
57 Georgia - 8,092
58 LSU - 8,029
62 oklahoma - 7,670
75 Vandy - 6,786
Big East:
6 Creighton - 17,269
8 Marquette - 16,307
25 UConn - 12,733
31 Providence - 11,369
37 Xavier - 10,316
41 St John's - 10,183
43 Nova - 9,410
50 Seton Hall - 8,748
60 Butler - 7,844
76 G'Town - 6,755
129 DePaul - 3,703 (!!)
FORMER DEFUNCT PAC12: (...was SO BAD)
16 Arizona - 14,392
48 Utah - 8,777
54 Az State - 8,317
66 Colorado - 7,531
67 Oregon - 7,493
68 UCLA - 7,493
72 Wash - 7,221
81 USC - 6,302
110 Cal - 4,566
126 Wash St - 3,823
133 Standford - 3,538
135 Oregon State - 3,441
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