Pop-Tarts Day After Review

AllInForISU

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Its some mighty thick gravy in that situation though. Plus consider how well QB sneak/Dives have been I would have been 'most' happy with 2-3 (or even 4) of those in that final series.

1 timeout, 56 seconds, against a QB who can’t throw and the only RB who could run on us out with an injury. All they had to do (and did) was score.
 

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So at what level do you apply your coaching and clock management skills?;)

I know you're being facetious, and no, I am not a football coach. But I do have a brother that is a college coach, another that has been coaching at a very successful 4A high-school for 20 years, and another that was a student coach at ISU with Cambell. And we all felt the exact same way about the end of game playcalling.
 
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I'm really surprised that anyone wanted more run plays on the goal-to-go situation at the end of the game. Iowa State's run game was not super effective for a lot of the game, with a lot of runs stuffed at the line of scrimmage. I did not have confidence in being able to score if they had run the ball multiple times from 1st and goal at the 4, or even when it came down to the 2 yard line.

Obviously in an ideal world you would have liked to score with less time left. But if you don't score, the time left doesn't matter (and technically, you'd prefer more time left if you don't score). I think score first, worry about time later, was the correct strategy.
 

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Looking back a day later

There is absolutely no doubt the Pop Tarts Bowl will replace the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange Bowls in importance to college football.

This sport is trying to suck the fun out of college athletics in the name of money.

We need this bowl. We need Keggy. We need FUN

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Companies in all aspects of business could greatly benefit from the corporate awareness Pop Tarts displayed. Go all in and don’t take yourself too seriously.
 

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I'm really surprised that anyone wanted more run plays on the goal-to-go situation at the end of the game. Iowa State's run game was not super effective for a lot of the game, with a lot of runs stuffed at the line of scrimmage. I did not have confidence in being able to score if they had run the ball multiple times from 1st and goal at the 4, or even when it came down to the 2 yard line.

Obviously in an ideal world you would have liked to score with less time left. But if you don't score, the time left doesn't matter (and technically, you'd prefer more time left if you don't score). I think score first, worry about time later, was the correct strategy.
I wanted consecutive QB sneaks.

Anything but a shotgun snap or a toss play 5 yards deep in the backfield. The tush push is legal and unstoppable in that situation. And Rocco is really good at finding the soft spot in the line.
 

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I'm really surprised that anyone wanted more run plays on the goal-to-go situation at the end of the game. Iowa State's run game was not super effective for a lot of the game, with a lot of runs stuffed at the line of scrimmage. I did not have confidence in being able to score if they had run the ball multiple times from 1st and goal at the 4, or even when it came down to the 2 yard line.

Obviously in an ideal world you would have liked to score with less time left. But if you don't score, the time left doesn't matter (and technically, you'd prefer more time left if you don't score). I think score first, worry about time later, was the correct strategy.
Right, does anyone remember first and goal with 3–4 minutes left in the third? We scored. We won. I can’t believe these is still a conversation. @andybernard i think you’ve sufficiently died on this hill.
 

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1 timeout, 56 seconds, against a QB who can’t throw and the only RB who could run on us out with an injury. All they had to do (and did) was score.
If you wanna play that game...

-Which plays were actually successful?
-What "IF" Miami completed a few passes, or got a few PI calls? (See our game vs Iowa)

-If we use one (1) of the previous downs as a run it would have had a huge impact on the ensuing Miami possession.

We talk about 'situational football' all the time, and that is certainly one situation where you are best to be mindful of the clock. May I present the TTech game. I can also present the Iowa and UCF games where the concept worked in our favor.

Now with that said, I'm not sharpening pitchforks and oiling torches by any means, but I'd wager any Cyclone fan claiming they weren't nervous during those last 56 seconds is not being honest.

Edit: In short the less time left on the clock upon scoring, the less chance Miami can get in position for a FG. Probably at a near exponential rate.
 
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I wanted consecutive QB sneaks.

Anything but a shotgun snap or a toss play 5 yards deep in the backfield. The tush push is legal and unstoppable in that situation. And Rocco is really good at finding the soft spot in the line.
I would have been good with QB sneaks after the penalty made it first and goal from the 2. Doing it starting from the four would have been pretty aggressive, even though all you need to average is one yard per sneak.

Another factor for consecutive sneaks is that it leaves a lot of reliance on the referees to actually spot the ball where it should be and not just use the pile as an excuse to round to the nearest yard line.
 

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I would have been good with QB sneaks after the penalty made it first and goal from the 2. Doing it starting from the four would have been pretty aggressive, even though all you need to average is one yard per sneak.

Another factor for consecutive sneaks is that it leaves a lot of reliance on the referees to actually spot the ball where it should be and not just use the pile as an excuse to round to the nearest yard line.
We saw that (or similar) 'excuse' from the stripes a few previous times.

From the '4' my preference would have been at least one quick hitting run play, if not 2. When it was from the '2' my preference is wholly for sneaks.

We've seen 4ish yard gains off of single sneaks before, so I wouldn't have ruled one out from the 4 either.
 
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Should have been a last minute drive. Instead we left them with an opportunity for a last minute drive and a timeout. Look, I understand it worked out, and I'm happy it did, but it could have been handled so much better.

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Dammit I can't believe I won the lottery! Now I have to buy a new wallet!

My 8 year old son had what was no-doubtedly his best bball game the other night. So much so, that he decided to throw up a half court shot with 22 seconds left, down 1. It somehow went in, and his team held on to win by 2.

Did we celebrate the made shot? Yup.
Did we celebrate the win? Absolutely.
Did his coach have a conversation with him about making better decisions? Yes, and I 100% supported that conversation.

It's great to win. It's also great to understand there are mistakes made even in a win, and other decisions could have been made to put the team in an even better position to win. Mouser called a great game. We won. Go Cyclones.
 

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Not exactly sure.
We can all critique from the couch or stands but anyone who has played or coached will tell you that it’s way different being in the situation than observing. So as fans, we are just guessing. There are things the players are telling coaches, coaches seeing, small injuries that we don’t know, specific plays for goal line situations that were practiced or installed, and such that we don’t know. So we can all yap about it, but there are about only 130 people who really know why the decisions were made.
 

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I would have been good with QB sneaks after the penalty made it first and goal from the 2. Doing it starting from the four would have been pretty aggressive, even though all you need to average is one yard per sneak.

Another factor for consecutive sneaks is that it leaves a lot of reliance on the referees to actually spot the ball where it should be and not just use the pile as an excuse to round to the nearest yard line.
First and goal could be the quick drop and run that Rocco is so good at doing.
 

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For the life of me I can’t remember this play. Saw Klotz had a reception for -4 yds but must’ve missed it
It was an obvious run down. We lined up in a tight formation, klotz leaked out downfield. He has to come back to the ball which allowed the defender to catch up and make a good play on the ball.

It was a bold call and absolutely against our tendencies.
 
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My 8 year old son had what was no-doubtedly his best bball game the other night. So much so, that he decided to throw up a half court shot with 22 seconds left, down 1. It somehow went in, and his team held on to win by 2.

Did we celebrate the made shot? Yup.
Did we celebrate the win? Absolutely.
Did his coach have a conversation with him about making better decisions? Yes, and I 100% supported that conversation.

It's great to win. It's also great to understand there are mistakes made even in a win, and other decisions could have been made to put the team in an even better position to win. Mouser called a great game. We won. Go Cyclones.
Fair enough. IMO it sometimes seems like it gets to the point where it's picking nits for the sake of picking nits.
 
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AllInForISU

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My 8 year old son had what was no-doubtedly his best bball game the other night. So much so, that he decided to throw up a half court shot with 22 seconds left, down 1. It somehow went in, and his team held on to win by 2.

Did we celebrate the made shot? Yup.
Did we celebrate the win? Absolutely.
Did his coach have a conversation with him about making better decisions? Yes, and I 100% supported that conversation.

It's great to win. It's also great to understand there are mistakes made even in a win, and other decisions could have been made to put the team in an even better position to win. Mouser called a great game. We won. Go Cyclones.
That’s not an accurate comparison.

This would be like if your son made a put back layup with 10 seconds to take the lead and the other team had their backup PG in who couldn’t dribble the ball up the court.
 

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Not exactly sure.
It was an obvious run down. We lined up in a tight formation, klotz leaked out downfield. He has to come back to the ball which allowed the defender to catch up and make a good play on the ball.

It was a bold call and absolutely against our tendencies.
Yeah, nice call but the defender played it very well.
 

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Wherever I go, there I am.
I know you're being facetious, and no, I am not a football coach. But I do have a brother that is a college coach, another that has been coaching at a very successful 4A high-school for 20 years, and another that was a student coach at ISU with Cambell. And we all felt the exact same way about the end of game playcalling.
 

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