TJ's transfer portal hit rate

Pat

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I think the argument would be he missed out on a "COVID Year" because he played that year at a community college.

I don't buy it, I say the NCAA eligibility clock starts when you begin NCAA play and he's out of eligibility by that standard. Would be great to have him back another year though, maybe he can go off Trae Young-style.

That doesn’t make sense to me. The 20-21 season didn’t count for eligibility, and then everyone gets 4 to play 5. I mean… I’d take it, but, to quote Offs Riggs and Murtaugh, that’s pretty thin.
 

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I think Jefferson is a few % points of better 3PT shooting away from some nice NBA $$$

Agreed he needs to improve that to get a really good look, the rest of his game is there and playing for TJ is going to have him more ready on defense than most other young players he'll be competing with.

If Curtis can get his 3pt shooting into that "otherwordly" zone he's shown glimpses of he'll get a look too.
 
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I think Jefferson is a few % points of better 3PT shooting away from some nice NBA $$$

If “a few” means 10+, then I’ll entertain the prospect. I think he’s an outstanding college player with potential for a long career, but his game that doesn’t quite translate to the NBA. The one thing to note is his FT percentage is way up, so a team might take a chance in hopes that his 3pt shot comes around.
 
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Can someone explain this to me? Jones played 2 seasons at Buffalo and is in his second season at ISU. What am I missing?
I imagine that Jones and Otz got asked about it so they both gave generic answers. Especially since everything about the NCAA is constantly changing. I think they probably just aren't in a position to say he definitely would or wouldn't get another season.

Diego Pavia's situation is pretty clearly not the same as Jones's situation (Pavia played 2 years at a Juco, 2 years at New Mexico State, then this season at Vandy, for three total FBS seasons).


That all said, if the articles I'm seeing give all the information regarding the NCAA's new rule/waiver for the situation, it seems like it could accidentally include someone like Jones? Here's a story and below is the relevant text.
According to an NCAA memo, the waiver extends an extra year of eligibility in 2025-26 to athletes who previously "competed at a non-NCAA school for one or more years" and otherwise would have exhausted their NCAA eligibility following the 2024-25 season.

That seems like it would apply to Jones, as he competed at a non-NCAA school for one season, and would exhaust his eligibility in the 2024-25 season. The memo with the waiver really should have added a requirement that the athlete has not competed in 4 non-covid NCAA seasons.
 
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You just described a great coach.

Otz is prefect for this current system. He's capable of looking at his team at as a whole and defining strengths and weaknesses and addressing those things through the portal. He's also built enough of a culture to bring in different guys have them assimilate. I can't imagine how hard it is to go to get guys at different points in their careers looking for different things and getting them to buy in. But if you watched the bench when Chatfield was going off Monday, Dishon was the happiest guy for him. He's eating his minutes in Dishon's last year here, but he's genuinely happy for him. That's such a hard thing to accomplish as a coach.
 

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Otz is prefect for this current system. He's capable of looking at his team at as a whole and defining strengths and weaknesses and addressing those things through the portal. He's also built enough of a culture to bring in different guys have them assimilate. I can't imagine how hard it is to go to get guys at different points in their careers looking for different things and getting them to buy in. But if you watched the bench when Chatfield was going off Monday, Dishon was the happiest guy for him. He's eating his minutes in Dishon's last year here, but he's genuinely happy for him. That's such a hard thing to accomplish as a coach.
Dishon has 1 more year of eligibility. Chatfield is in his last year.
 

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JFC to saying that TJ isn't a great coach. Every single basketball analyst would disagree with that horrible assessment. Taking a 2-22 team to what will be four consecutive tournaments, including a 2 seed (and there's a good chance we will be a 2 or better again this season) is absolutely elite. I would easily put TJ in the top 10 right now for college basketball coaches. He knows how to relate to the young guys yet his guys respect the hell out of him and will leave everything on the floor, every game, for the guy. His players absolutely love having him as their coach. There may be a few head scratching decisions he's made in game, but not every single coach gets everything perfect every time. Coach K has made plenty of head scratching in game decisions. Roy Williams has made plenty of head scratching in game decisions. Bill Self has made, and still makes, tons of head scratching decisions in games. Coach K, Roy Williams, and Bill Self are considered some of the most elite coaches of our lifetimes. TJ is going to end up easily being the best coach in ISU history if he stays here. Stop saying he isn't great. Him and his wife loves Ames and want to stay here and build a perennial powerhouse. Hiring TJ to coach Iowa State was absolutely the best move that Pollard has ever made, even though so many people doubted the hire at the time.
I think the answer on GREAT coach will show in how many offers he gets to go elsewhere. I am not worried about him taking them, but what a great resume.
 

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For me.... When you tell a guy we start June 1 at 5:00-6:00am with summer workouts and it is not going to be easy. You separate the wheat from the chaff right there. The bonus is you build team spirit right away because you have been through some stuff together.
There are no pretenders that get PT at ISU with Otz. You have it, give it all or you aren't here. It's that simple.
That’s like the old army commercials saying we do more before 8 a.m. than most people do all day…which made me ask, “That’s a selling point?”
 

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Exactly. Man, people on this site are sensitive.
You literally said he isn’t a great coach. Wha other metrics would he have to check for you to consider him one? 3 tournaments made in 3 years, two sweet sixteens, a number 2 seed in the tournament, a big 12 tournament championship, and now number 3 in the country. Has recruited very well, used the transfer portal incredibly, hired great assistants, has built an amazing culture, the list goes on and on. Maybe he isn’t some master play caller, but he does so much so damn well. What the hell else do you want?

Certainly moronic comment of the year so far goes to you.
 

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yeah just like Brock Purdy & Rocco Becht for best ISU QB of all-time, best basketball coach is a two horse race between Fred & TJ, and depending on how this season turns out, Otz may take the clear lead.
He's currently 34 wins behind Fred (81 to 115) at ISU - and just tied Tim Floyd's 81 in the last game. Prohm had 97 and Eustachy had 101.
 

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I have to admit this year's guys have surprised me.

Jackson and Heise are very solid and very close to what I expected them to be. Jefferson and Chat are way more productive than I imagined. The fact that all four are panning out is incredible.

I had no idea Jefferson would be this good and this mulit-tooled.

Jefferson's PER (player efficiency rating) is currently identical to Niang's senior year at 25.9. That's pretty much as high as any player we've had in the era of that stat. Curtis Jones is very high too. Jones and Gilbert are around 23 which is also right with all of our All Big 12 players in recent decades.
Jefferson was an absolute steal and very very underrated in the portal analysis. He's an absolute stud - and if he can shoot 35+% from 3 next year, he'll be a candidate for Big XII player of the year. I think he's going to be the clear leader and star of the team next year. He's got all the pieces. When talking about the best transfers - he's probably going to be on top of the list when he's done here.
 

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I don’t think that TJ is a great coach. Good, not great. But what he IS great at is putting together a roster and playing a system that makes the best use of the talent on the roster. And also finding guys that not only compliment the other players, but fit in with the culture.

Kind of the opposite of Prohm. He was not very good at piecing the puzzle together.
If true, which is debatable at best...

That's why he has the excellent staff he assembled which seems to love working with him and for him.

I don't agree with your assertion, but I get where you're coming from. I won't drag you for this one. But I do think he has done enough and cut his chops for long enough underneath others along the way to demonstrate he is now also a great coach on the floor, too.

But he is unquestionably a masterful program leader, talent evaluator, and culture builder. Which ultimately that's what takes so many X's and O's wiz kids down in the HC position, honestly.

There's so much at stake when you're in that drivers seat. You draw up the wrong play call, you can make a stop and get the ball back. Someone bails u out with a hand in their face.

You start missing on kids or pushing the wrong buttons mentally and punish the wrong guys and reward the wrong guys? You start sending out mixed signals or look in over your head? You start letting the wrong things slide and bring the hammer down for silly things? Prohm McCaffery City, baby!
 

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Even Scott Drew was absolute ass at Baylor his first few years. His 5th year was the first time the team finished above .500 and first time they made the tourney. I get that Baylor was in complete shambles before Drew, but I'd still argue that TJ is on his way to being a better coach for a program than Scott Drew. 86.7% of the scoring in TJ's first year was comprised of all new players. I respect the hell out of Scott Drew, and would put him in that elite category, but TJ is capable of similar success over a much shorter time frame. Drew is a better recruiter, but give TJ time and I'm confident he can pull in a 5 star close to as often as Drew. Only time will tell if Otz ends up being more successful than Drew or not. Either way, it's so damn awesome having TJ at the helm. He's absolutely a "great" coach.
recruiting was way different back then. Transfers basically weren't a thing. Not knocking TJ here, but it was waaay harder to rebuild a disaster back in those days than it is now.

Furthermore, baylor was a waaaaay worse disaster than ISU was when TJ took over. One player murdered another player and the coach told other players to tell the investigators that the deceased player did not take improper payments from him, but got extra money from dealing drugs.

again, no knock on TJ, but that Baylor situation was next level.

Scott Drew should, and probably will, go down in history as one of the best coaches of all time for what he did with baylor.
 
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recruiting was way different back then. Transfers basically weren't a thing. Not knocking TJ here, but it was waaay harder to rebuild a disaster back in those days than it is now.

Furthermore, baylor was a waaaaay worse disaster than ISU was when TJ took over. One player murdered another player and the coach told other players to tell the investigators that the deceased player did not take improper payments from him, but got extra money from dealing drugs.

again, no knock on TJ, but that Baylor situation was next level.

Scott Drew should, and probably will, go down in history as one of the best coaches of all time for what he did with baylor.
Fair enough assessment. Scott Drew is amazing, but I hope TJ owns him this afternoon!
 

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