*** Official #25 Baylor vs #3 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

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If that is the case, time to scrap the model and salt its ashes, as that is an absurd output,
OR for Iowa State to adapt their OOC scheduling to improve their standing in the metric that is used. It's a relative easy fix for ISU if the metric is truly an issue.

 
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but had we stuck around that 2000-01 team would have been really special - they certainly wouldn't have run out of gas like they did at the end of that season (seroiusly - I was like "uh oh" when we lost to Texas near the end of the regular season).
I'm pretty sure we lost to Baylor in Waco the last game of the regular season. It was a terrible loss and a preview of what was coming.
 

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I'm pretty sure we lost to Baylor in Waco the last game of the regular season. It was a terrible loss and a preview of what was coming.

Lost to Baylor in the opening Big 12 tourney game.

ISU was playing very well in mid-late February, and then went down to Texas and got wrecked.

They won the last two regular season games vs. bad Tech and Nebraska teams handily score wise but really just didn't look the same.

I was at the Tech game and remember the team just kind of looking lifeless and then vs. Nebraska they pulled away late but really didn't look good for the most part.
 

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This was the first game i felt they REALLY put 100% into the defensive effort. That showed, best D all year. The bigs are getting more integrated. But i do think it took a little out of them offensively, didnt play as well on that side; masked by how well they shot the 3.

You can almost feel this team evolving, growing.
 

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This is the best ISU MBB team, I think I've ever seen. I've been watching ISU BB a long time. It's hard to not dream of the possibilities with this team.
Hate to be that guy - but I’m still giving the nod to the 2000 team. And for me, it’s pretty clear. Even spent the last couple days rewatching some home and road games from 2000 (goodness, YouTube is a special place!). That team was so, so, SO good. The rebounding and physical toughness was at an all-time elite level (yes, even above this years squad). And I think Fizer is our BEST ever player. Yes, the best Iowa State college player ever. Better than Jeff, better than any other. An All-American utterly unstoppable beastly force down low with the softest hands in the country, along with the ability to stretch the defense. He was THAT good folks. And Tinsley at his ceiling was also a true All-American, and he starting hitting this season the 2nd half of conference play and kept it going in the tourney. Mike Nurse was a stud. Lockdown defender, great athlete, great finisher, former point guard, and an elite shooter with unlimited range. Kantrail was a stud. We essentially started 3 point guards. Stevie Johnson at 6-4 had the physical strength of a defensive lineman, and had no trouble guarding - and rebounding against - much taller players. I think his muscles might have been cut from granite.

Having multiple 6-10 guys in Shirley and Rancik - along with a serviceable freshman Hawkins (that could guard quite well) coming off the bench made the group a legit 8 deep, like our current squad. The narrative was always how “undersized” they were but they were an incredible rebounding team, and physically dominant.

It’s absolutely certifiably insane (and complete bullsh*t) to see highlights from SportsCenter in February of 2000 when Iowa State was 21-3 and were only ranked #21. If our current squad gets to 21-3, we’ll be ranked #1. Big 12 had some other great teams in the league at that time and Iowa State was the toughest one.

Anyway, I’m sure I’ll get pushback but I haven’t seen anything to change my mind yet.

And with ALL of that said - I LOVE our current team and I truly believe we have all the pieces right now to win a national title.
 

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This was the first game i felt they REALLY put 100% into the defensive effort. That showed, best D all year. The bigs are getting more integrated. But i do think it took a little out of them offensively, didnt play as well on that side; masked by how well they shot the 3.

You can almost feel this team evolving, growing.
giphy.webp
 

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Hate to be that guy - but I’m still giving the nod to the 2000 team. And for me, it’s pretty clear. Even spent the last couple days rewatching some home and road games from 2000 (goodness, YouTube is a special place!). That team was so, so, SO good. The rebounding and physical toughness was at an all-time elite level (yes, even above this years squad). And I think Fizer is our BEST ever player. Yes, the best Iowa State college player ever. Better than Jeff, better than any other. An All-American utterly unstoppable beastly force down low with the softest hands in the country, along with the ability to stretch the defense. He was THAT good folks. And Tinsley at his ceiling was also a true All-American, and he starting hitting this season the 2nd half of conference play and kept it going in the tourney. Mike Nurse was a stud. Lockdown defender, great athlete, great finisher, former point guard, and an elite shooter with unlimited range. Kantrail was a stud. We essentially started 3 point guards. Stevie Johnson at 6-4 had the physical strength of a defensive lineman, and had no trouble guarding - and rebounding against - much taller players. I think his muscles might have been cut from granite.

Having multiple 6-10 guys in Shirley and Rancik - along with a serviceable freshman Hawkins (that could guard quite well) coming off the bench made the group a legit 8 deep, like our current squad. The narrative was always how “undersized” they were but they were an incredible rebounding team, and physically dominant.

It’s absolutely certifiably insane (and complete bullsh*t) to see highlights from SportsCenter in February of 2000 when Iowa State was 21-3 and were only ranked #21. If our current squad gets to 21-3, we’ll be ranked #1. Big 12 had some other great teams in the league at that time and Iowa State was the toughest one.

Anyway, I’m sure I’ll get pushback but I haven’t seen anything to change my mind yet.

And with ALL of that said - I LOVE our current team and I truly believe we have all the pieces right now to win a national title.
Heck it's fine to be that guy, everyone has their own opinions.
 
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Hate to be that guy - but I’m still giving the nod to the 2000 team. And for me, it’s pretty clear. Even spent the last couple days rewatching some home and road games from 2000 (goodness, YouTube is a special place!). That team was so, so, SO good. The rebounding and physical toughness was at an all-time elite level (yes, even above this years squad). And I think Fizer is our BEST ever player. Yes, the best Iowa State college player ever. Better than Jeff, better than any other. An All-American utterly unstoppable beastly force down low with the softest hands in the country, along with the ability to stretch the defense. He was THAT good folks. And Tinsley at his ceiling was also a true All-American, and he starting hitting this season the 2nd half of conference play and kept it going in the tourney. Mike Nurse was a stud. Lockdown defender, great athlete, great finisher, former point guard, and an elite shooter with unlimited range. Kantrail was a stud. We essentially started 3 point guards. Stevie Johnson at 6-4 had the physical strength of a defensive lineman, and had no trouble guarding - and rebounding against - much taller players. I think his muscles might have been cut from granite.

Having multiple 6-10 guys in Shirley and Rancik - along with a serviceable freshman Hawkins (that could guard quite well) coming off the bench made the group a legit 8 deep, like our current squad. The narrative was always how “undersized” they were but they were an incredible rebounding team, and physically dominant.

It’s absolutely certifiably insane (and complete bullsh*t) to see highlights from SportsCenter in February of 2000 when Iowa State was 21-3 and were only ranked #21. If our current squad gets to 21-3, we’ll be ranked #1. Big 12 had some other great teams in the league at that time and Iowa State was the toughest one.

Anyway, I’m sure I’ll get pushback but I haven’t seen anything to change my mind yet.

And with ALL of that said - I LOVE our current team and I truly believe we have all the pieces right now to win a national title.
Agree with all that, but...this team story has not been written yet. They should keep getting better, it's early January. Or they could collapse or have injuries. Nobody knows yet. The potential is there. Time will tell.
 

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Hilton has always been quiet during the winter term unless it's some particular landmark game, which this was not. The 2000/2001 celebration also wasn't advertised very well.

It also wasn’t planned very well or executed very well.
 
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For me the "this is the best team" conversation happens in the off-season. Really enjoying this season so far, but the 2000 team still has 20 more wins, four more ranked-opponent wins, five more Big 12 road wins, one more regular-season Big 12 championship, one more Big 12 tournament championship, and one more Elite 8 appearance than this team. There's a lot to accomplish to be in that conversation.
 

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It’s absolutely certifiably insane (and complete bullsh*t) to see highlights from SportsCenter in February of 2000 when Iowa State was 21-3 and were only ranked #21. If our current squad gets to 21-3, we’ll be ranked #1. Big 12 had some other great teams in the league at that time and Iowa State was the toughest one.
It was amazing how long it took the AP voters to give some respect that year. It was the classic "Kansas is not winning the Big XII? The conference is down this year," mentality.

If Kansas had won the regular season going away like ISU did, AND won the Conference tournament, they would have definitely been given the 1 seed.

Instead they gave the PAC two number 1 seeds. Neither of which made it past the first weekend.