Otzelberger to Indiana?

[FriendlySpartan]

There's obviously examples of NIL funds not buying the correct players for their team and KU is a great example of that this year, but there's more examples of big NIL budgets helping. The Ohio State won a football title mostly because of it. The SEC is now the top conference in basketball almost all because of the NIL. NIL is a game changer and every year that goes by as the schools figure out how to use it best, it's going to be extremely important for success.

Let’s see if the SEC is actually the best basketball conference. They have had one good year this year so let’s see what they do in the tourney and next year.

NIL can certainly help teams like OSU dominate but they still got two losses and we’re already one of the top teams, NIL hasn’t really enabled too many people to jump start from scratch and make any real noise. You don’t see Arkansas basketball dominating or many other schools with high end NIL.

 

[goody2012]

I understand that and my feeling on that is let them leave then.

They can go be the next Tyrese Hunter and learn the hard way they are individually good because of the team they are on and that they aren't as good individually without that team.

We aren't some superior development program, they can get good coaching AND money other places

 

[FriendlySpartan]

We aren't some superior development program, they can get good coaching AND money other places

TJ is a top ten coach. Also you rarely see people leave teams that are performing as well as ISU does for another school. When players transfer the don’t know how they are going to mesh with the other guys, the coach, the campus, how they will fit into the new scheme etc.

The only time key players at high performing transfer is if they are unhappy with something at the school or if they were severely under recruited and have a dream school in mind.

Since NIL portal has started we have seen very few key players transfer to other programs over NIL. Usually they leave due to a coaching issue, a play/performance issue, or outside issues.

 

[harimad]

YouTube channel “The Field of 68 After Dark” is pushing TJ to Indiana. Seems unlikely

 

[brentblum]

TJ is a top ten coach. Also you rarely see people leave teams that are performing as well as ISU does for another school. When players transfer the don’t know how they are going to mesh with the other guys, the coach, the campus, how they will fit into the new scheme etc.

The only time key players at high performing transfer is if they are unhappy with something at the school or if they were severely under recruited and have a dream school in mind.

Since NIL portal has started we have seen very few key players transfer to other programs over NIL. Usually they leave due to a coaching issue, a play/performance issue, or outside issues.

Respectfully, you don’t know Iowa State’s situation as a B1G school. Would you turn down $500k increase for a new job?

 

[goody2012]

TJ is a top ten coach. Also you rarely see people leave teams that are performing as well as ISU does for another school. When players transfer the don’t know how they are going to mesh with the other guys, the coach, the campus, how they will fit into the new scheme etc.

The only time key players at high performing transfer is if they are unhappy with something at the school or if they were severely under recruited and have a dream school in mind.

Since NIL portal has started we have seen very few key players transfer to other programs over NIL. Usually they leave due to a coaching issue, a play/performance issue, or outside issues.

True, but they also have another half mil

 

[isu81]

Indiana boards are saying they would pay $7MM/year for the right new coach. Drew is one of those listed. Not sure they would pay TJO that, but that’s a huge increase from where he is. Plus they’re insane fans and most likely would fund NIL. Finally, when TV revenues filter to players, the SEC and B10 will have the advantage. I don’t think he’d go, but Indiana would be a great job.

 

[NWICY]

I certainly don’t think there is validity to Goodman here, but let’s not completely dismiss the idea that Iowa State does indeed have a low payroll and TJ wants to win and be able to retain all of the talent in the program right now. Just assuming he won’t leave is different than making sure he has all the resources possible so he doesn’t. As of now Indiana will have nearly double the NIL budget of Iowa State for basketball.

Well give the Sukup family another call.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Respectfully, you don’t know Iowa State’s situation as a B1G school. Would you turn down $500k increase for a new job?

While I don’t disagree with that, I am the one on this board that suggested the “collective” a year before it ever came to fruition and was told that would never happen at ISU.

I agree the NIL situation for ISU isn’t ideal but key players just aren’t leaving good situations yet in basketball. Football is a bit different, and yeah I’ll agree that in that realm money talks hard. In basketball we just haven’t seen that happen very much.

Could it happen sometime with all the chaos sure, but if you guys make a deep run do you actually expect your key players to bail?

 

[not-the-manager]

To Blum's and others' point, could Otz ever leave? Absolutely. What I go back and forth on is, if you throw a dart at a list of P4 schools, more likely than not you'll hit one with a bigger budget than ISU, yet Campbell has stayed. Success is not a given, we need to keep pushing to give more, and if a coach doesn't believe he can compete in the Big 12 nor the postseason, I agree that no amount of loyalty will be sufficient. But unless someone's keeping his or her $4 million oil business a secret, ISU will always be at a disadvantage. So loyalty/fit/culture-building matter to some degree. I don't know, I guess if he's going to leave soon I just hope it isn't Indiana. Everything @isu81 just said is true. But it also sounds a lot like Nebraska football's situation the last ~20 years. I couldn't complain if Otz left for UNC or someone similar, but Indiana would be a bit of a gut punch

 

[scottwv]

Indiana boards are saying they would pay $7MM/year for the right new coach. Drew is one of those listed. Not sure they would pay TJO that, but that’s a huge increase from where he is. Plus they’re insane fans and most likely would fund NIL. Finally, when TV revenues filter to players, the SEC and B10 will have the advantage. I don’t think he’d go, but Indiana would be a great job.

I see most of the tv money from big and SEC going to football. Has there been any resolution on the role collectives will have after the House settlement is approved? I thought I read somewhere it counts toward the 21 mill cap.

 

[Cloned4Life]

While I don’t disagree with that, I am the one on this board that suggested the “collective” a year before it ever came to fruition and was told that would never happen at ISU.

I agree the NIL situation for ISU isn’t ideal but key players just aren’t leaving good situations yet in basketball. Football is a bit different, and yeah I’ll agree that in that realm money talks hard. In basketball we just haven’t seen that happen very much.

Could it happen sometime with all the chaos sure, but if you guys make a deep run do you actually expect your key players to bail?

I expect them to listen to offers that are DOUBLE or more than ours, yes. Yes, I do. This is LIFE changing money. Absolutely silly to think otherwise.

 

[Final42b]

I don’t see TJ leaving but if he did who should Pollards first call be to?

 

[jsb]

I don’t see TJ leaving but if he did who should Pollards first call be to?

Jesus, that's a depressing thought that we shouldn't have to think about!

 

[fsanford]

Respectfully, you don’t know Iowa State’s situation as a B1G school. Would you turn down $500k increase for a new job?

If I am making several million and the stress is lower where I am, yes

 

[Tpups21]

I don’t see TJ leaving but if he did who should Pollards first call be to?

Ben McCollum

 

[jsb]

If I am making several million and the stress is lower where I am, yes

Part of what makes a great coach great is that they think they can win anywhere.

But fit really does matter. TJ saw McDermott fail here and be successful at Creighton. He saw Hoiberg be successful here and fail in the NBA and be moderately average at Nebraska. TJ, himself, wasn't killing it at UNLV and is on pace to be our most successful coach.

Campbell is the perfect fit for us and I'd bet my house that he wouldn't have succeeded at USC, but he almost took that job because he believed he could do it.

 

[fsanford]

Part of what makes a great coach great is that they think they can win anywhere.

But fit really does matter. TJ saw McDermott fail here and be successful at Creighton. He saw Hoiberg be successful here and fail in the NBA and be moderately average at Nebraska. TJ, himself, wasn't killing it at UNLV and is on pace to be our most successful coach.

Campbell is the perfect fit for us and I'd bet my house that he wouldn't have succeeded at USC, but he almost took that job because he believed he could do it.

I had a chance to go to a different company that offered me a 40% increase. Did not take a few years later they got bought and folks were laid off in droves.

It is sometimes better to be in a situation you can control than in one you cannot. Where I was I had a lot of say and control. Long term it worked out well.

But everyone is different

 

[goody2012]

If I am making several million and the stress is lower where I am, yes

He's talking about the players

 

[NorthCyd]

I don’t see TJ leaving but if he did who should Pollards first call be to?

Ben McCollum

This thread has officially reached a critical mass of stupid.