Otzelberger to Indiana?
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UNLV Rebel Girl in shambles
Some Indiana fan was dragging ISU on Twitter on Saturday for not having the "juice" that they had in a pursuit of TJ and the next day they held a tribute to a 40 year old sideline chair.
The cruel reality is by staying older and not having that one superstar player helps us in the NIL world. If a majority of our team is comprised of equal contributors and seniors, they are either unable to or less likely to get stolen in the off-season.
It's a Captain Obvious statement, but staying older has more benefits than just the fight on the court.
It's a Captain Obvious statement, but staying older has more benefits than just the fight on the court.
@brentblum I know this is an Otz thread, but has turned into an NIL thread, so I'll put this here.
I'm an out-of-state die hard Clone fan and want to be more involved, but games, tailgating events, local events are not a possibility for me. To get out-of-state fans involved, when you have auctions for Cyclone memorabilia and things, set one item aside specifically for out-of-state Clones to bid online for. Or charge a "cover fee" to online bidders and open bidding up online along with the in-person attendees. More competition for the items will lead to more $. Just some ideas.
I'm an out-of-state die hard Clone fan and want to be more involved, but games, tailgating events, local events are not a possibility for me. To get out-of-state fans involved, when you have auctions for Cyclone memorabilia and things, set one item aside specifically for out-of-state Clones to bid online for. Or charge a "cover fee" to online bidders and open bidding up online along with the in-person attendees. More competition for the items will lead to more $. Just some ideas.
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Nebraska football and Indiana basketball is a pretty good comparison. Both teams have unbelievable past success and possibilities of huge NIL budgets and huge fanbases. Not sure what Indiana facilities look like but I know Nebraska just opened possibly the best facilities in the country. The problem with both is they haven't hired good coaches. Nebraska might have fixed that, I think they will continue to get better but NC good is a pretty tall task. If IU makes a really good hire they could reignite a huge fanbase that has been very hungry and most likely charge a fortune for tickets and have no problem selling out. They haven't won forever but the right coach could make them a national brand again. Maybe TJ wants to turn a team that's never been a national brand into one, instead of reigniting an old one.
As has been said time and again. We don't need to match the big dogs in spending but we have to at least be in a similar universe, then you sell playing time, development, culture, the fan base, etc. To Brent's point if we are offering 100k and another place is offering 500k that's going to be hard to say no. But if we can get up past 300k plus all the other benefits now the equation is different.
Plenty of ways to donate if you don't want to give directly. By some beer or pizza or go to the We Will Shop. They have super nice gear there with lots of the cool logos.
Like @cyfanbr I'm an out of stater so I prefer to donate directly to paying the players instead of the AD because that has a much more direct impact on what I get to watch imo. I spend so much time following and watching the Cyclones that it's pretty easy for me to spend a chunk of my entertainment budget towards We Will. And I hope when it goes in house the AD will still allow me to donate to the pay the players fund
Plenty of ways to donate if you don't want to give directly. By some beer or pizza or go to the We Will Shop. They have super nice gear there with lots of the cool logos.
Like @cyfanbr I'm an out of stater so I prefer to donate directly to paying the players instead of the AD because that has a much more direct impact on what I get to watch imo. I spend so much time following and watching the Cyclones that it's pretty easy for me to spend a chunk of my entertainment budget towards We Will. And I hope when it goes in house the AD will still allow me to donate to the pay the players fund
IU basketball regaining status is significantly more possible than Nebraska football imo. They are not at a location disadvantage, and only need a handful of elite players anyway
That said, paying for players does better enable a place that has elite support in football to better overcome location-based recruiting challenges. Like Nebraska.
This is where I’m at as well.
I’d rather spend all my “Cyclone budget” on watching the best MBB and FB teams possible, which means donating everything to We Will
Particularly over spending on traveling to Ames or Bowl games etc. It adds up to thousands redirected towards players, which best impacts our competitiveness.
And if Ames, I’d pay for a We Will watch party in the new Scheman over giving it the Athletic Department to have JP spend some of it on non-revenue
Tough to be all-in if the AD isn’t going to be all-in by allocating 15 scholarships, and exemplifies why I’m not sure I’ll continue to such a degree once We Will gets rolled under the AD
Would you rather they allocate 15 scholarships and have two scholarships at the end of the bench that play rarely if ever AND have the NIL split up even more so the likelihood of your top 2 players entering the portal for a bag is increased OR keep the number of schollies the same and using what little NIL you have to try to keep the players actually playing in Ames?
Give me the scholarships to players who are actually going to play.
I'll be glad when one of these updates is TJ saying he has no intention of going to Indiana and is very happy to be at Iowa State and the pursuit of a national championship.
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Have I missed the efforts to bring awareness to this? I've heard you mention it on Williams and Blum and again in this thread but I'd think a pinned thread specific to Fanstake would get more traffic than the 211th post in this thread? The free $25 coupon is low hanging fruit and takes like 90 seconds to do, would be huge to get as many eyes on this as possible.
Yeah. I hate hoping up the forums and this thread is always near the top. It’s tiring
I’m someday expecting this to go the ways of other bad news conjecture like the Milan hand injury Keshon and Curtis out that eventually is true. Waiting for the “He Gone” post
That’s a false dichotomy.
Adding two more scholarships doesn’t mean adding much in NIL. If anything it lowers it- we can have 15 recruited players without 15 scholarships, but 15 scholarships converts some of the NIL bill to costs that the AD can pay.
So, yes, add two more even though it means two more players on the bench. The potential ROI is undoubtedly greater than those scholarships going to non-revenue sports.
This is of increased importance since we’ll have to go money ball
With most of our NIL and revenue sharing invested in returning proven players, we’re forced to enter the cheap (aka much less certain) aisles of high school recruiting and unheralded transfers for the balance of production and impact
Such recruiting is a crapshoot. Better odds we get what we need trying out more cheap recruits, than fewer.
Additionally, it allows for keeping a guy like Rock, that may not be ready next year to give us what we need, but we still want for the following years
I believe the original plan for Hilton Coliseum was very similar in design to Assembly Hall.
For whatever reason, they thankfully went a different route and we have a "Cathedral" type arena in college hoops as a result.
I've seen IU's Assembly Hall up close, been on the floor. I hate the design. Like you said, it's just weird. To have primo seats (mid-court) so far away you practically need binoculars to see is just stupid IMO. And having very few seats behind the basket sucks as well. As a student, I loved the behind the basket seats at Hilton. It's just a great view.
This is probably pre-mature as i know all of this has been "figure it out as we go" from the minute NIL became a thing....only commenting to clarify if this priority thing now is for JUST this year or what your thoughts are moving forward.
With revenue sharing happening July 1...my understanding is this is the last bit of "slinging money around the transfer market" like we have known.
If the collective gets rolled into athletics, i know we'd need to as a department and fanbase have the budget to pay the $22-23 million (and that's the cap for all schools?)....wouldn't it be assumed some of this "asking fans for help" would just roll into the normal "donate to athletics" narrative.
I guess the ask....one year from now....what do you envision this conversation looks like? I totally get why TJ would want the same "checkbook" as other coaches...won't that kind of be the deal next year if we can fully fund the $22-23 million? Of course players could still make true NIL as intended (or athletics could make money using their NIL to raise more money).
I look at it this way: One of the reasons Fred left for the Bulls was he got hurt over the Rashad Vaughn deal I dont think we truly understand this was the beginning of Fred leaving.
Let's look at TJ with unbiased glasses. He lost Tyrese Hunter over NIL. We, as fans, used it for fuel but ultimately let it roll right off because we were gifted with the hometown hero who knew dang well he was staying home since his freshman year in high school. Tamin instantly came in and made the fans forget all about Hunter. We, as fans, got lucky.
Now lets say this spring (as an example) Milan or Jefferson come out and say "Thanks but I'm going to go get paid, sure I'd love to win a national championship but I think I can continue to develop my professional skills at this next stop and I can make it to the pros --which is my ultimate goal in life-- all while making twice the amount I do at Iowa State." Will, we as fans, get lucky to get baled out by another local kid who comes in and makes us forget. That's a tough one to see happening.
TJ however, will get hurt from Milan and Jefferson (again as an example) leaving. Suddenly he gets a chance to do his job at another institution who has the financial ability to let him coach and NOT have to worry about his players leaving on him for more money.
I'm not saying he's going to leave for Indiana, but if he loses a few more players over NIL deals you simply can not blame the guy to considering other jobs that give him better tools for him to do his job all while providing a crutch to not have to go through pain of kids leaving him.
Let's look at TJ with unbiased glasses. He lost Tyrese Hunter over NIL. We, as fans, used it for fuel but ultimately let it roll right off because we were gifted with the hometown hero who knew dang well he was staying home since his freshman year in high school. Tamin instantly came in and made the fans forget all about Hunter. We, as fans, got lucky.
Now lets say this spring (as an example) Milan or Jefferson come out and say "Thanks but I'm going to go get paid, sure I'd love to win a national championship but I think I can continue to develop my professional skills at this next stop and I can make it to the pros --which is my ultimate goal in life-- all while making twice the amount I do at Iowa State." Will, we as fans, get lucky to get baled out by another local kid who comes in and makes us forget. That's a tough one to see happening.
TJ however, will get hurt from Milan and Jefferson (again as an example) leaving. Suddenly he gets a chance to do his job at another institution who has the financial ability to let him coach and NOT have to worry about his players leaving on him for more money.
I'm not saying he's going to leave for Indiana, but if he loses a few more players over NIL deals you simply can not blame the guy to considering other jobs that give him better tools for him to do his job all while providing a crutch to not have to go through pain of kids leaving him.
