OSU postgame overreaction thread

[ImJustKCClone]

OH NOES!!!

WE MIGHT DROP TO A 3 or 4 SEED!!!

How quickly we forget the McDermott years and the last years of the Prohm experiment...

 

[CoachHines3]

Gary Parrish sums it up nicely

 

[dahliaclone]

Gary Parrish sums it up nicely

He’s right

 

[CoachHines3]

He’s right

Oh, 100%

 

[VeloClone]

I love TJ but we have to get away from playing the starters 28-33 minutes in buy-games in November and December. Clearly it is effecting these teams in February and you can’t win a conference championship if you are running on empty in February.

I'm not sure what you consider a buy game, but I would say it would be the 6 Non-con Q4 games and not include Maui games, a ranked Marquette team and Iowa at Iowa.

Here are the average minutes of our '6 starters' in the buy games:
KG 28.6
CJ 27.0
TL 26.7
MM 26.5
JJ 22.7
DJ 19.3

Not a single player anywhere near 33 or even 30 minutes with only one player just barely into the bottom of the minutes range you used.

 

[Statefan10]

Agreed, I also think the regular season becomes a slog for some teams, almost get bored, then they get rejuvenated once the postseason hits. I think Iowa State with their experience and balanced roster has as good a shot as any to make a Final 4 run.

The one thing this year is that the top teams are really really good this year so it's going to be tougher to make a run than past years. Auburn, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida and Duke are all good to great teams, rare that you see College Basketball with so many elite teams but these 6 are really good, I don't remember the last time there was 6 teams this good at the top. Still, and maybe it's a bit of a homer thing, but I like Iowa State's chances against anybody on a netural floor. Gilbert HAS TO get healthy though, he's their engine.

Wanted to also point out that Florida was getting their butts kicked and ended up losing to a bubble Georgia team last night. Georgia is better than OSU for sure, but my point was that good teams can play poorly and drop a game they’re not supposed to and still be alright.

 

[Bo Darville]

OH NOES!!!

WE MIGHT DROP TO A 3 or 4 SEED!!!

How quickly we forget the McDermott years and the last years of the Prohm experiment...

No one is forgetting ISU's past.

What people are (understandably) bummed about is that THIS TEAM has underperformed.

I don't understand how that's even controversial.

 

[VeloClone]

I'm not trying to pick on you, but I've heard this a few times and don't get it.

Why would we play better against NCAA tournament teams than we did against sub-.500 Oklahoma State?

I suppose you could say getting Gilbert back at 100% (if that happens), but let's face it- this team has serious issues with our without him.

Since this is the doom thread, I'll play along. The more likely scenario, if we're in a tailspin to end the season, isn't that we suddenly turn it on and become a better team in the NCAAs. It is that we continue to play the way we've been playing, and have an early exit.

Many coaches this season and past seasons have post game talked about how difficult it is to prepare for the ISU defense. They say you can talk about it and try to prepare your guys but there is no way to do that in practice. All of the Big 12 teams for the most part have faced the ISU defense including many of the current players on those teams. Most NCAA teams haven't and half of the teams that play ISU will face it on a day and a half of prep.

 

[awd4cy]

OH NOES!!!

WE MIGHT DROP TO A 3 or 4 SEED!!!

How quickly we forget the McDermott years and the last years of the Prohm experiment...

Yeah, it sucks. Everyone saw the potential of this roster. Chances of us going beyond the sweet 16 are greatly diminished based on odds. Still can be a successful year, but many saw the potential of getting to the next level this year. The disappointment isn’t hard to understand.

 

[Bo Darville]

Many coaches this season and past seasons have post game talked about how difficult it is to prepare for the ISU defense. They say you can talk about it and try to prepare your guys but there is no way to do that in practice. All of the Big 12 teams for the most part have faced the ISU defense including many of the current players on those teams. Most NCAA teams haven't and half of the teams that play ISU will face it on a day and a half of prep.

That's a thoughtful response. But I'd argue that 1) our defense isn't as good this year, and 2) there's lots of tape out there on us now, and we've been scouted pretty well.

I thought we'd beat Illinois last year for the same reason. Now, I'm not so sure.

 

[FinalFourCy]

We have some sort of weird thing going on as a program. It’s nothing but bad luck, but we’ve had great success since 2010 and have made 6 Sweet 16s. But yet we’ve never made it past that. Think of the times that haven’t gotten that far as often and how quite a few have lucked into an elite 8 or final 4.

Illinois had gone something like 20 years without a sweet 16 and got further than we have on their first try.

At some point, our luck will change.

I agree with that.

Since Fred restarted the program, VCU (11 seed), Wichita State (9 seed), South Carolina (7 seed), Loyola (11 seed), FAU (9 seed), NC State (11 seed) have turned their run into a FF

Whether it be the teams and locations we’ve played, or close losses in which luck is always an inherent factor, it hasn’t gone our way

And we’ve also wasted a couple good opportunities in 2014 and 2019, with both rosters potentially being top-5 in program history

 

[NoCreativity]

OH NOES!!!

WE MIGHT DROP TO A 3 or 4 SEED!!!

How quickly we forget the McDermott years and the last years of the Prohm experiment...

I love how we are never allowed to strive to be better or have nice things just because we had a couple bad coaches once upon a time. That's a losers mentality.

 

[VeloClone]

That's a thoughtful response. But I'd argue that 1) our defense isn't as good this year, and 2) there's lots of tape out there on us now, and we've been scouted pretty well.

I thought we'd beat Illinois last year for the same reason. Now, I'm not so sure.

Also very true. However, we have heard that comment about being impossible to simulate in practice and being much more formidable in person from more than one coach this year including in conference.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I love how we are never allowed to strive to be better or have nice things just because we had a couple bad coaches once upon a time. That's a losers mentality.

We are still on the rise. The sky is not falling.
My point is that there was a time when we rarely made the tournament, let alone even sniff the second round or (gasp!) the second week.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I'm not trying to pick on you, but I've heard this a few times and don't get it.

Why would we play better against NCAA tournament teams than we did against sub-.500 Oklahoma State?

I suppose you could say getting Gilbert back at 100% (if that happens), but let's face it- this team has serious issues with our without him.

Because a few days ago we played much better against a top 5 team, on the road, while playing a walkon.

Imo we’re picking our spots right now, at least mentally, both game-to-game, and intra-game.

In terms of a deep run, I am concerned about our lack of length/athleticism on defense, and maybe our TOs, but I fully expect we turn it up in the tournament

 

[Statefan10]

Yeah, it sucks. Everyone saw the potential of this roster. Chances of us going beyond the sweet 16 are greatly diminished based on odds. Still can be a successful year, but many saw the potential of getting to the next level this year. The disappointment isn’t hard to understand.

The potential was also thinking we would be predominantly healthy. I get it’s frustrating but you can’t write that off. Also our chances have only diminished “on paper”. The same paper that said we should’ve won by double digits last night.

 

[Lineup]

Yes.

you are a mad guy huh

Yes.

 

[Lineup]

you are a mad guy huh

 

[FinalFourCy]

Perspective is important but they is a bad loss with or without Keshon. We continue to not value possessions and it ended up biting us tonight. If you limit turnovers to 13 then you probably win this game by 5-7 points. You have an elite backcourt and a skilled 4 man the turnovers are maddening.

Right now we are likely a #4 seed if we go 2-1 in our last 3. I’m not sure we will do that but who knows. We are likely a #4 or #5 in the Big 12 tournament and if we lose against BYU then we have to play on Wednesday.

I love TJ but we have to get away from playing the starters 28-33 minutes in buy-games in November and December. Clearly it is effecting these teams in February and you can’t win a conference championship if you are running on empty in February.

Love these guys and hopefully they can get healthy. Really concerned that the Gilbert situation is a little worse than everyone thinks

We could use better load management and more investment minutes, if we want to prioritize peaking in March imo

It’s different than when you’re just hoping to develop a team that can be on the bubble.

In our last buy game we didn’t play anyone beyond the top 8. That seems almost punitive.

We played guys 35+ minutes in blowout losses against KSU and KU.

I realize it’s old school, but sometimes less PT is effective in getting better play

 

[Cyhig]

Gary Parrish sums it up nicely

Exactly what most of us should be thinking today. Last night was not fun. But this team is capable of a tournament run. The focus should shift to getting everyone healthy and prepped for tournament play.