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In years passed, I've started a thread to track former Cyclones in their new programs season- long. I didn't have the time this year, even though there are fewer guys this year (9) than in recent years prior. I figured since I'm restless still following last night's double OT loss to BYU, I'd create this thread now, right as some low/mid major conferences are picking up steam in their conference tournaments. I figure if anyone is ever going to get curious enough to watch some of these former Cyclones in action, no better time to do so than when the stakes are at their highest and if you're like me, can't get enough hoops this time of year. I'll try and keep it updated as things unfold. Below is a list of the former Cyclones, how they've performed this season on their new team, and what their conference tournaments look like:

Caleb Grill, Missouri: I feel like of all former Clones out there, Caleb is probably the one most fans are aware of. He's having a career season in year 6 and on team 3, posting career highs in points (14.3) and 3 point percentage (43.3). He's Missouri's leading scorer. Missouri is a lock for the NCAA Tournament and is still playing for anywhere from a 4-8 seed in the SEC Tournament, which starts on 3/12.

Omaha Biliew, Wake Forest: I haven't been paying super close attention. I know he missed a chunk of time with an injury, but he's been available since late January and has still only logged playing time in 11 games total on the season. 8.8 minutes per game, 2.5 ppg, 1.3 rpg, which if you were to check, are almost identical to the numbers he put up at ISU last season. He is a 40% 3 point shooter in limited attempts (4/10) so perhaps some positive development there. Otherwise, it's fair to assume he probably won't be a two and done player. Wake is still vying for anywhere from a 4-7 seed in the ACC Tournament which starts on 3/11.

Tyrese Hunter, Memphis: Another former Clone at his 3rd school, Tyrese is having a career year just like his former teammate, Caleb Grill. He is putting up 14 ppg on 39.9% from 3, both career highs. He is also averaging 3.3 assists and 1.4 steals. Seems like maybe he has finally found a good fit with Penny. Memphis will be the #1 seed in the AAC. Their tournament starts on 3/12, and I'm not too familiar with their bracket, but would assume they get at least one bye.

Darlinstone Dubar, Tennessee: Still holding a spot on the Iowa State first team all-name, Dubar had a great 3- season stretch at Hofstra following his time in Ames. I was happy he got a chance to come back to the P5 for another shot at it, but the results indicate that maybe he was better off at a place like Hofstra. He has struggled and fallen out of the rotation for the most part, putting up a line of 3.5 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 26.9% 3 pt. Tennessee will at least grant him the opportunity to play in the Big Dance, and they will likely be a 2- seed. In the SEC Tournament, they'll be looking at a 3-7 seed.

Jackson Paveletzke, Ohio: The numbers tell the whole story here, Pav is just more comfortable at the mid major level. Nothing wrong with that. He's putting up respectable numbers (13.3 ppg, 4.9 apg, 4.2 rpg, 55.6% fg, 33.3% 3 pt) and has started every game for the Bobcats this season. Seeding has not been decided yet for the MAC, whose Tournament starts on 3/13, but Ohio will be a 3-6 seed by my estimation.

Eli King, North Dakota: The popular belief with Eli as I recall was that he would be a project and ready to contribute by year 3. I think his gradual progression the last 2 seasons bear that out. Averaging a career high in points (7.9) and rebounds (5.4) and 3 pt shooting (37.6%). Unfortunately in this era of college sports, it is hard to fill your roster with 18 year old projects. Will be interesting to see if he tries to move back up to the P5 this offseason. North Dakota is the 6 seed in the Summit, and will face 3 seed South Dakota State this Friday night, 3/7 at 8:30 pm.

Jelani Hamilton, Georgia State: I don't think Jelani would be playing much on this year's Cyclones team, but he has put together a nice RS freshman season in the Sun Belt. He has started 19/31 games, with a line of 10.4 ppg, 3.4 rpg 1.1 steals 33% 3pt. Georgia State is the 8 seed in the Sun Belt Tournament, and will face 9 seed Georgia Southern Thursday 3/6 at 5 pm.

Jaden Walker, Texas A&M CC: After 2 years at East Carolina, Jaden had to transfer down another level. I'm not sure what the reason is that led to it, but it certainly doesn't seem like it was for more playing time. In 28 games, Walker averages just over 20 minutes, 5.6 ppg, 3.4 rpg and 2.1 apg. He's kind of been the same player regardless of where he's been it seems. Corpus Christi is the 5 seed in the Southland, will kick off their conference tourney this Sunday, 3/9 at 5 pm against 8 seed Houston Christian.

Xavier Foster, Radford: Yes, he's still playing basketball. Kind of. But not really. Safe to say he's on the roster, but has only played in 11 games all season. 2.1 ppg, 1.3 rpg are some of his better stats. Believe it or not, he was better statistically as a freshman at Iowa State. In 5 seasons, Foster has played in 32 games total. It's unbelievable. Not that it matters much, because I don't think he'd see time except in a blowout, but Radford is the 4 seed in the Big South, will start conference tournament play against the 5 seed Presbyterian on Friday, 3/7 at 2:30.
 

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In summary, former Cyclones facing single elimination games in order of when the games are scheduled to take place:

Georgia State (Hamilton) vs Georgia Southern Thursday, March 6 5 PM, ESPN+

Radford (Foster) vs Presbyterian Friday, March 7 2:30 PM ESPN+

North Dakota (King) vs South Dakota State Friday, March 7 8:30 PM

Texas A&M CC (Walker) vs Houston Christian Sunday, March 9 5 PM ESPN+

Everyone else on the list will be wrapping up regular season play this weekend.
 
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Jelani Hamilton and Georgia State advanced tonight, beating Georgia Southern coached by Charlie Henry. What a strange career trajectory he has had.

Hamilton started but didn't impact the box score a ton. Scored all 5 of his points from the line and grabbed 3 rebounds in 24 minutes. Looks like he was in foul trouble.

At any rate, Jelani's season marches on, he and his team will play Marshall, the 5- seed in the Sun Belt tomorrow at 5.
 

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Hey this thread concept is great, thank you for doing this. I enjoy following the people that gave it a shot at being here.

Do you think we will develop a couple schools as intentional feeders for developmental guys? Like JR Blount goes to a lower level and TJ sends his style of recruit (Jelani Hamilton, Eli King) over that needs playing time to get to the P4 level? Feels like the next step in whatever college sports has become. Your coaching tree is essentially the minor league development.
 
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I remember when I thought Hunter and Foster were the future of the program.

Hunter obviously bailed for $$$ and was up and down at Texas. He's been very good for Memphis this season. Watching Gabe Kalscheur elbow him in the throat and punch him in the ribs up and down the court during his one return game to Hilton two years ago will never not be ******* funny.

Foster is up there with JaMarcus Russell as an all-timer bust.
 
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I remember when I thought Hunter and Foster were the future of the program.

Hunter obviously bailed for $$$ and was up and down at Texas. He's been very good for Memphis this season. Watching Gabe Kalscheur elbow him in the throat and punch him in the ribs up and down the court during his one return game to Hilton two years ago will never not be ******* funny.

Foster is up there with JaMarcus Russell as an all-timer bust.
JaMarcus at least had some college success. Foster barely had high school success. But yea, that day seemed a lot bigger when Prohm beat Fran for Foster and Fran signed a couple unrecruited Murray kids. Wild how it played out compared to the day it happened.
 
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I remember when I thought Hunter and Foster were the future of the program.

Hunter obviously bailed for $$$ and was up and down at Texas. He's been very good for Memphis this season. Watching Gabe Kalscheur elbow him in the throat and punch him in the ribs up and down the court during his one return game to Hilton two years ago will never not be ******* funny.

Foster is up there with JaMarcus Russell as an all-timer bust.
I was at that Texas game at Hilton that year. That was and still is the most spiteful crowd I have ever witnessed first hand. Such a fun day.
 

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Hey this thread concept is great, thank you for doing this. I enjoy following the people that gave it a shot at being here.

Do you think we will develop a couple schools as intentional feeders for developmental guys? Like JR Blount goes to a lower level and TJ sends his style of recruit (Jelani Hamilton, Eli King) over that needs playing time to get to the P4 level? Feels like the next step in whatever college sports has become. Your coaching tree is essentially the minor league development.
It's an interesting idea. I do think there will come a day that TJ (and a lot of other P5 coaches) just scraps high school recruiting altogether. Aside from Hunter, Lipsey, and Momcilovic, TJ has really not had success with high school recruits. I don't think he's necessarily missing on these kids, but the fact that he insists on playing only an 8 man rotation at most means a high school kid is going to come here and sit for a long time. And while he's sitting, not getting game reps, someone else is getting game reps somewhere else and that someone might get recruited in the portal over the guy that committed to Iowa State right out of high school. We've got a pretty big high school class coming in this offseason, by recent standars, I'm curious how it all shakes out. I'm of the mindset that odds are strong that there very well could be another Jelani Hamilton, Dwayne Pierce, or even Demarion Watson in the class.
 
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I was at that Texas game at Hilton that year. That was and still is the most spiteful crowd I have ever witnessed first hand. Such a fun day.

Have a great NCAA tournament. The kind of one that makes a fanbase fall in love with you. Be anticipated to be the face of the program and the foundation of the rebuild going forward.

TJ does nothing but talk you up. TJ recruits guys on coming to play with him.

Bail. Understandably for a lot of money.

To Texas.

Still a Big 12 school. Notice I have to qualify with the "still" part.

The Texas that just tried to hold our head under the water until the bubbles stopped.

So they try to send us to the American... and no that wasn't their immediate intent but they're not stupid they knew what their SEC move would do to the Big 12... and then start buying our players?

**** these guys. And **** him. I'm glad Gabe abused him.

The fact he was going to go and play for a wife-beating ******* didn't help.

I didn't mind the decision. Had he gone to Tennessee or something where we'd never see him again I'd have forgotten about him. It was just business. Even Kansas I would have hated but KU hasn't tried to snuff us with a pillow so they can make a few more bucks. But going to Texas... made it personal.
 

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It's an interesting idea. I do think there will come a day that TJ (and a lot of other P5 coaches) just scraps high school recruiting altogether. Aside from Hunter, Lipsey, and Momcilovic, TJ has really not had success with high school recruits. I don't think he's necessarily missing on these kids, but the fact that he insists on playing only an 8 man rotation at most means a high school kid is going to come here and sit for a long time. And while he's sitting, not getting game reps, someone else is getting game reps somewhere else and that someone might get recruited in the portal over the guy that committed to Iowa State right out of high school. We've got a pretty big high school class coming in this offseason, by recent standars, I'm curious how it all shakes out. I'm of the mindset that odds are strong that there very well could be another Jelani Hamilton, Dwayne Pierce, or even Demarion Watson in the class.
This is why these threads are so great. Whether these guys work out here or not, in general they can play ball. And everybody loves the redemption story. Committing, not playing, transfer down, 80's music montage, transfer up. It's a classic story. So when do the ultimate planners just start doing it intentionally? I wasn't around for the prime Snyder football years but from the stories the way he recruited jucos I'm assuming he was doing this.

Small note, but your list of "aside from"...those are pretty good college ball players. Just another proof of TJ knowing what his teams are about.
 
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JaMarcus at least had some college success. Foster barely had high school success. But yea, that day seemed a lot bigger when Prohm beat Fran for Foster and Fran signed a couple unrecruited Murray kids. Wild how it played out compared to the day it happened.

It's an analogy about the scale of the bust given the expectations.

And yeah, I remember us being jubilant about Foster and "who?" about the Murray twins. Funny how it works out. Foster being a bust is one of the reasons Prohm ended up fired. And the Murray twins are one of the main reasons Fran still has a job in Iowa City (at least for the moment).

Iowa is stuck with the perpetual C+ that is the McCaffery regime... while we have TJ. And despite the lull the past few weeks, I don't know how you can judge his tenure so far as anything but an A.
 
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Have a great NCAA tournament. The kind of one that makes a fanbase fall in love with you. Be anticipated to be the face of the program and the foundation of the rebuild going forward.

TJ does nothing but talk you up. TJ recruits guys on coming to play with him.

Bail. Understandably for a lot of money.

To Texas.

Still a Big 12 school. Notice I have to qualify with the "still" part.

The Texas that just tried to hold our head under the water until the bubbles stopped.

So they try to send us to the American... and no that wasn't their immediate intent but they're not stupid they knew what their SEC move would do to the Big 12... and then start buying our players?

**** these guys. And **** him. I'm glad Gabe abused him.

The fact he was going to go and play for a wife-beating ******* didn't help.

I didn't mind the decision. Had he gone to Tennessee or something where we'd never see him again I'd have forgotten about him. It was just business. Even Kansas I would have hated but KU hasn't tried to snuff us with a pillow so they can make a few more bucks. But going to Texas... made it personal.
Very well said, and couldn't agree more. In a way I don't really have spite for him anymore, and while I did for a time, the feelings were really dulled by how effective and good Tamin was right away. And at the end of the day, it's Tyrese that ends up playing in the American. Almost poetic in a way.
 

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It's an analogy about the scale of the bust given the expectations.

And yeah, I remember us being jubilant about Foster and "who?" about the Murray twins. Funny how it works out. Foster being a bust is one of the reasons Prohm ended up fired. And the Murray twins are one of the main reasons Fran still has a job in Iowa City (at least for the moment).

Iowa is stuck with the perpetual C+ that is the McCaffery regime... while we have TJ. And despite the lull the past few weeks, I don't know how you can judge his tenure so far as anything but an A.
The lifelong Iowa fans at work...they just don't want to talk about football or basketball. They just seem tired of the coaches they have. I think the guard Fran pulled from the portal was actually a good fit and if Freeman stays healthy they are probably on the bubble if not in the tourney. But people are just tired of him.

Between Garza and the Murray twins, has there ever been more success from less recruited players? Was Murray CPOY? I know he was in the running but can't remember if he got it. Garza did and Murray even being in the running was an impressive achievement compared to the "all-knowing" recruit rankings.
 

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Very well said, and couldn't agree more. In a way I don't really have spite for him anymore, and while I did for a time, the feelings were really dulled by how effective and good Tamin was right away. And at the end of the day, it's Tyrese that ends up playing in the American. Almost poetic in a way.
I think everyone understood the situation and didn't begrudge him personally but if that isn't the perfect setting to encapsulate what makes college basketball special I don't know what is. I think you are legally required to boo someone in that scenario or give up your fan card.
 
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Small note, but your list of "aside from"...those are pretty good college ball players. Just another proof of TJ knowing what his teams are about.
Oh for sure. I would say that even the high school guys that TJ recruited that have transferred out haven't really been misses per se. They left most likely because they wanted to play sooner rather than later. A guy like Jelani Hamilton was probably not going to see anything more than garbage time minutes until maybe next season. MAYBE. At Georgia State, he is playing over 20mpg and has already become at least a part time starter.

This is not the same as guys that transferred out under Prohm really were just busts and misses that either ended up transferring down a level and multiple times (see Walker and Foster) or out of division 1 basketball entirely (Dudley Blackwell, Mercedus Leech, Luke Anderson etc. )
 

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This is not the same as guys that transferred out under Prohm really were just busts and misses that either ended up transferring down a level and multiple times (see Walker and Foster) or out of division 1 basketball entirely (Dudley Blackwell, Mercedus Leech, Luke Anderson etc. )

Prohm's recruiting was... weird.

Brought in some great guys. Maybe even guys with higher-end potential than TJ has.

Future NBA guys like Shayok, THT, Wigginton, and Tyrese Haliburton mixed with... future D2 guys. Plus a big man with future NBA all-star level talent but an all-timer of a headcase with Lard.

Wild to look back on it.

The only TJ guy to have recorded an NBA minute so far is Brockington (3.4 minutes... total).

I'm not counting the guys TJ recruited as an assistant (e.g., Georges) that ended up in the NBA.
 
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Oh for sure. I would say that even the high school guys that TJ recruited that have transferred out haven't really been misses per se. They left most likely because they wanted to play sooner rather than later. A guy like Jelani Hamilton was probably not going to see anything more than garbage time minutes until maybe next season. MAYBE. At Georgia State, he is playing over 20mpg and has already become at least a part time starter.

This is not the same as guys that transferred out under Prohm really were just busts and misses that either ended up transferring down a level and multiple times (see Walker and Foster) or out of division 1 basketball entirely (Dudley Blackwell, Mercedus Leech, Luke Anderson etc. )
We wanted those guys to do well but after looking back I guess we are glad the covid season forced the issue to fire Prohm? Classic nice guy, don't want to work with him. Hamilton will be an interesting guy to follow, he has positional size.

Playing time is so critical to development. Seems like a bunch of these guys just needed the chance be on the court regularly. I still have some high school eligibility, if I get that development time maybe I will be a TJ recruit?!?
 

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