Lunardi and Palm now project Iowa State as a 4-seed as Selection Sunday nears

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Groin pulls/strains suck. Slow to heal and easy to re-aggravate. Let’s hope at least one of the two can get near full speed by Th/Fri - but our B12 tourney roster may be near what we have for the Dance. Get the rabbits foot(feet) out.

For sure. I do feel like Tamin would've played against BYU had it been up to him. Guessing if he goes we'll see a 'pitch count' like I alluded to with Keshon. Then heal in the offseason.

Maybe this is just hopium, but I think the shorthanded games @UH and vs. BYU should give the team confidence that they can still bring it against good teams.
 
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Not exactly sure.
For sure. I do feel like Tamin would've played against BYU had it been up to him. Guessing if he goes we'll see a 'pitch count' like I alluded to with Keshon. Then heal in the offseason.

Maybe this is just hopium, but I think the shorthanded games @UH and vs. BYU should give the team confidence that they can still bring it against good teams.
I think it may be good to start without Tamin and Keshon the first game. If we can take a lead, let them sit and heal a little more. Bring them in if needed.
 
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I think it may be good to start without Tamin and Keshon the first game. If we can take a lead, let them sit and heal a little more. Bring them in if needed.

Yeah, I'm guessing this is what we'll see. With NCAA games, you can get a feel pretty quickly if the higher seed can impose their will, or if it'll be a fight.
 
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I think it may be good to start without Tamin and Keshon the first game. If we can take a lead, let them sit and heal a little more. Bring them in if needed.
I don't think TJ would play it like that. Puts way too much pressure on them if Iowa St gets down by 5-10. The recipe for an upset is for the underdog to hold a lead, or play even for the first half, giving them increased confidence, and doubt for the better team.
 

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If we go down the line and during the timeline of Iowa State only having the Arizona win in the last 2 months, lets take a look...

Kentucky - beat Texas A&M, Tennessee twice, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma twice, Missouri
Bad losses - None

Wisconsin - beat Purdue, Illinois, UCLA and Michigan State
Bad losses - Penn State

Texas Tech - beat Arizona twice, Houston, Baylor twice, Kansas,
Bad losses - TCU

Texas A&M - beat Ole Miss, Missouri, Georgia, Arkansas and Auburn
Bad losses - None

Iowa State - beat Arizona
Bad losses - Kansas State and Oklahoma State

Yes, there's a whole body of work to examine but the resumes of those teams blows the Cyclones out of the water in the last two months in the lead up to the tournament hence why I said that those teams have caught up to Iowa State.
Could Iowa State's early season success carry them to a 3 seed? Possibly but their standing as a 3 is in peril, it's far from a sure thing nor should it be a sure thing based on how much their resume has bled out the last 2 months. I think it's a toss up tbh.

Just to add, the SEC teams incurred more losses largely due to having a far tougher schedule. Iowa State beat a ton of non-tourney teams in the last two months.
 

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I don't think TJ would play it like that. Puts way too much pressure on them if Iowa St gets down by 5-10. The recipe for an upset is for the underdog to hold a lead, or play even for the first half, giving them increased confidence, and doubt for the better team.

Maybe the inverse could happen too - he starts one or both of them, then gives them ample rest if we build a comfortable lead.
 

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While sitting multiple starters. My god I truly think some of you just love wallowing in the muck.
What does that matter? The facts are that they've beaten one tournament team since the Kansas win. That's an actual fact, it's not wallowing in misery.
That's what can drop them to a 4 seed potentially, the lack of any meat on their resume after that Kansas win on January 15th.
 

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Maybe the inverse could happen too - he starts one or both of them, then gives them ample rest if we build a comfortable lead.
Believe this is much more likely, especially for Gilbert. However, he may keep Lipsey playing, even at 60%, just because of his position, and leadership.
 
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Except we are to look at the entire body of work. NET has ISU at 9, KenPom at 10, BartT at 8. Good night people...
KPi is 23, SOR is 14 and WAB is 18. Q1a record is 2-5.

All of the teams in this range have positives and negatives.

I would be surprised but not shocked if Iowa State is one to the top 9 teams.
 

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You do understand that the @UCF, @Kansas St, and Cincinnati in KC were all Q1 wins right?
Late reply to this but if you think all Quad 1 wins are created equal then I have a bridge to sell you. For instance, Kentucky beat Tennesse twice while Iowa State is beating UCF and Kansas State. There's a wide gulf in quality there and you better believe the committee sees that.
 
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If we go down the line and during the timeline of Iowa State only having the Arizona win in the last 2 months, lets take a look...

Kentucky - beat Texas A&M, Tennessee twice, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma twice, Missouri
Bad losses - None

Wisconsin - beat Purdue, Illinois, UCLA and Michigan State
Bad losses - Penn State

Texas Tech - beat Arizona twice, Houston, Baylor twice, Kansas,
Bad losses - TCU

Texas A&M - beat Ole Miss, Missouri, Georgia, Arkansas and Auburn
Bad losses - None

Iowa State - beat Arizona
Bad losses - Kansas State and Oklahoma State

Yes, there's a whole body of work to examine but the resumes of those teams blows the Cyclones out of the water in the last two months in the lead up to the tournament hence why I said that those teams have caught up to Iowa State.
Could Iowa State's early season success carry them to a 3 seed? Possibly but their standing as a 3 is in peril, it's far from a sure thing nor should it be a sure thing based on how much their resume has bled out the last 2 months. I think it's a toss up tbh.

Just to add, the SEC teams incurred more losses largely due to having a far tougher schedule. Iowa State beat a ton of non-tourney teams in the last two months.

If ISU loses 3 non-con games, but beats Okie State and KSU but still only has one win over a tourney team over the last two months are you still putting them down to a 4?

I'm not even saying they won't be a 4; it wouldn't shock me and there's trends from the team from all season that suggest weirdness no matter the seed.

But using the last two months when it was the non-con apparently that hurt ISU last year doesn't seem to fit.
 

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Ok? You feel free to keep finding dings against us. I’m just gonna be here thinking we have done enough to be a 3 and if not so be it.
I have been pointing out the positives and the negatives. I think Iowa State is a likely 3 seed but it's not a slam dunk in my opinion. I would say 80% 3 see, 15% 4 seed and 5% 2 seed.
 

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