Disappointing season

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If you want to see what real disappointment looks like, let’s go ahead and field a team next year with a $0 payroll. Keep complaining
Complaining?

I buy season tickets. I donate to the Cyclone Club. I buy the sports packages on TV. I buy a ton of merch. I'm spending $10k to take my family to Ireland.

Yes or no, are you saying I'm not doing enough?
 

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There are plenty of examples of players that have seen tremendous growth under this coaching staff. CuJo, Bob Jones, Ward to name a few. Not everybody has the ceiling to be a high major D1 player.
Yes, I get so tired of people putting player development pretty much all on the coaches, like players are a bunch of homogeneous robots.

There's a reason under every coach there are guys that develop like crazy, and guys that don't get better at all. It isn't that the coaches are doing something magical. It's that kids in college are wildly different, and in basketball, it's all about skill development, which is all about a kid putting in insane amounts of time to get better. Sure, I do think there are things that coaches have a big hand in as far as individual player development, but it pretty much comes down to the kid putting in the time and being a sponge.

A coach is going to tell a kid what he needs to become to play. That might be something that takes an obsessive level of hours on the players' own time to achieve. A great example is Naz going from a guy that couldn't shoot to a knock-down 3 point shooter.

True Freshmen are a little different deal because they really don't have a good gauge for the competition and what it takes until they get into a program. They are just trying to keep their head above water, and that first offseason they can decide if they are willing to do what it takes to play at this level.
 

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Yes, it is going to set back a team. But it shouldn't set back a team so that they get behind by 26 points to a lower tourney seed, or have back-to-back blowout losses against a bad KSU and a mediocre KU, and another loss to a bad OSU team.

Where does ISU want to go? If ISU wants to seriously contend for a regular season Big 12 title and make a deep tourney run, they need to figure out an offensive scheme that doesn't require complete athletic superiority over the opponent (because that isn't happening night in and night out in the Big 12), or one guy playing out of his mind (like CJ did until the opponents figured out that they needed to neutralize him) to open up things for the other guys. Otherwise, the current scheme works well enough to do well with a cupcake preseason and beat enough mediocre conference teams to make the tourney.

And depth certainly doesn't hurt, because, you know, injuries...

Ya in a perfect world we have two groups of 5 starter level each playing a half with no drop off. Find me the guy that’s top half Big 12 level that’s like “I’ll come ride the bench in case someone gets injured and then I can play more”. If you get down to your 8,9,and 10 guy being that good we’re not spending our money wisely.
 
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And based on Blum's comments, Jefferson and Milan have already gotten huge offers to transfer. If one or god forbid both leave, its going to be a looooong offseason. Impactful guards aren't usually cheap either... better hope there are more Curtis Jones out there.
I'm sure this is true, as is going to be the case for every good player.

But at the same time let's keep in mind that it is in everybody's best interest except for the fans' to pound the drum that players are getting huge offers. It's also not like they are getting some formal written offer that they are sharing (at least initially). Most of this is word of mouth, and probably taking guys' words for it. And as the Hamilton case at FSU showed, there's also a level of BS thrown out to players.

I'm not saying everybody's out making stuff up, but I think there's some exaggeration and a lot of extrapolating a few offers into some mature market that doesn't really exist yet. It's not like there is a downside to players, players' agents or families, collectives leaking or exaggerating offers.
 

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And based on Blum's comments, Jefferson and Milan have already gotten huge offers to transfer. If one or god forbid both leave, its going to be a looooong offseason. Impactful guards aren't usually cheap either... better hope there are more Curtis Jones out there.
Why the hell don't colleges make players sign contracts? They cannot be this absolutely stupid to think a year to year makes sense.

Since NIL is "not the school" schools should have no problem requiring at least a two year deal.
 

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As others have said on here tonight, TJ does need to go deeper in the bench to avoid guys getting run down be the end of the season. I get that we won’t ever have a bench to go 9 deep vs Houston but you sure can get guys minutes when you are blowing the doors off Baylor, Utah, TCU, etc.

This has always been my criticism of TJ. He does a lot of things really well, but I think that we can see that a February lull is a trend at this point. The guys look so worn down. I 100% think that they should be playing more guys when games are in hand. Especially the nonconference, but even conference games, mix in a couple more guys. It not only keeps them involved, it helps them improve and be ready if we actually need them. If you are going to play every minute that hard, you can't just go 8 deep until there's a minute left. Guess it didn't help that there were 20 conference games this year.
 

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Complaining?

I buy season tickets. I donate to the Cyclone Club. I buy the sports packages on TV. I buy a ton of merch. I'm spending $10k to take my family to Ireland.

Yes or no, are you saying I'm not doing enough?
you 1000% are doing enough. But whining about the money asks is getting old from everyone. Would you honestly rather the alternative of us not having a payroll?
 

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Why the hell don't colleges make players sign contracts? They cannot be this absolutely stupid to think a year to year makes sense.

Since NIL is "not the school" schools should have no problem requiring at least a two year deal.
You should follow the story of the Wisconsin football player transferring to Miami. And root like hell for Wisconsin to win that case
 
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What a disappointing season looks like in reality...

https://cyclones.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2020-21
That’s not a disappointing season that’s an awful season
This has always been my criticism of TJ. He does a lot of things really well, but I think that we can see that a February lull is a trend at this point. The guys look so worn down. I 100% think that they should be playing more guys when games are in hand. Especially the nonconference, but even conference games, mix in a couple more guys. It not only keeps them involved, it helps them improve and be ready if we actually need them. If you are going to play every minute that hard, you can't just go 8 deep until there's a minute left. Guess it didn't help that there were 20 conference games this year.
i was just going to say this. Take a page from Campbell and be blending guys in a little here and there early on so when an issue arises, you’ve seen what they can do and they have some experience.
 

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I think the coaching staff learned a lot more from this season than any of us schmucks. In TJ I trust.
I am confident most also trust that TJ will see a significant amount of lessons to be learned from this season.

This thread is something else. Could swear a lot of you have had these negative posts at the ready for weeks now salivating for this.
In fairness, there have been a lot of negative/disappointing sports moments (for Iowa State basketball fans) in the last couple of months, having only beaten 1 NCAA tournament team since mid-January.
 

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This has always been my criticism of TJ. He does a lot of things really well, but I think that we can see that a February lull is a trend at this point. The guys look so worn down. I 100% think that they should be playing more guys when games are in hand. Especially the nonconference, but even conference games, mix in a couple more guys. It not only keeps them involved, it helps them improve and be ready if we actually need them. If you are going to play every minute that hard, you can't just go 8 deep until there's a minute left. Guess it didn't help that there were 20 conference games this year.
TJ likes to work the metrics for rankings. I believe he worked the committee for a 3 seed by holding back the news on Keshon. Of course, the committee will make Iowa State pay for TJ working them. Next year's squad will deserve a #1 seed and get a #3 seed instead. Thanks NCAA in advance.
 
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I am confident most also trust that TJ will see a significant amount of lessons to be learned from this season.


In fairness, there have been a lot of negative/disappointing sports moments (for Iowa State basketball fans) in the last couple of months, having only beaten 1 NCAA tournament team since mid-January.
Meh. The amount of posters in this thread that never post except for threads like this says all I need to know
 

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Just think how much having Keshon playing 30 minutes a game changes everything. Don’t need to go 9 or 10 deep. We had a great rotation set up when Keshon was healthy. Lots of different looks available, very manageable. The fact is that losing a starter that averages big minutes and averages double digit points and handles the ball a lot is going to set back pretty much every team outside of the blue bloods and the SEC money teams.

I don't mean 9 or 10 the whole game every game. But play the 9th and maybe the 10th guy here in there all season. Maybe 7-8 minutes a game. Maybe a little more depending on the situation. Not just the first couple of pay games against the Miss Valley States. Watson would've made it a 9 man rotation. He was good enough to play in every game this season.
 

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Yes, I get so tired of people putting player development pretty much all on the coaches, like players are a bunch of homogeneous robots.

There's a reason under every coach there are guys that develop like crazy, and guys that don't get better at all. It isn't that the coaches are doing something magical. It's that kids in college are wildly different, and in basketball, it's all about skill development, which is all about a kid putting in insane amounts of time to get better. Sure, I do think there are things that coaches have a big hand in as far as individual player development, but it pretty much comes down to the kid putting in the time and being a sponge.

A coach is going to tell a kid what he needs to become to play. That might be something that takes an obsessive level of hours on the players' own time to achieve. A great example is Naz going from a guy that couldn't shoot to a knock-down 3 point shooter.

True Freshmen are a little different deal because they really don't have a good gauge for the competition and what it takes until they get into a program. They are just trying to keep their head above water, and that first offseason they can decide if they are willing to do what it takes to play at this level.

Most scholarship players aren't going to stick around very long if they are seeing 0 minutes a game. Too easy to transfer and find places where you will actually see the floor.
 

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Two lesser mind-boggling questions come to mind on the season:

1. Why is Milan so inconsistent shooting? He'll bury them one game and the same wide open shots the next game, he'll miss and keep missing. Watching other teams, their sharpshooters rarely miss wide open shots.

2. What did Watson do to piss off TJ? I don't get why he didn't get any run all season. The topper was yesterday when nobody guarded anybody and guys looked worn down or defeated. A fresh off the bench guy, a guy who can defend forwards and guards, could have helped. Somebody like Watson comes to mind.

Williams and Blum are doing a podcast today. I hope they touch on any insight on Watson.