SEC/Big10 Pushing for 16 Team Playoff

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That’s totally true. But if they are as good as they think they are, auto bids aren’t necessary. I’d rather have P4 conference champs get an auto plus the best G5 champ, then everything else is at large. Yeah, most years those 2 conferences will get 4-5, but at least it’s fair. What they want is for the B12 and ACC to be viewed as minor league.
 
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Most don't like the current set up, but they also understand it's better to be in their position than be in a conference like the ACC or B12 that may end up like the P12. For many their hope is if they go to 24 schools, that the league will be broken up into divisions, and the lesser teams can at least win the division. If you are one of many schools in the B10, your chance of getting into the championship game is almost nil, but Indiana proved last year that with an easy schedule you can still get into the playoff coming out of the B10 or SEC if you get to 10 wins overall.
There are very few "lesser teams" in a 24 team league. I'm no talking about a P2. I'm talking about when the P2 kick out the Purdues and Vanderbilts of the world. If you're USC, are you cool with being in the 24 team league and going 4-8? If you're Tennessee, are you ok with 5-7? There are going to be a lot of tradition-rich teams taking a lot of losses. All while losing the traditional feel of college football.
 

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Honestly for most big ten and SEC fans no one really has a problem with the new league sizes or schedules that I have talked to. It’s usually more transfer portal and NIL that people have a problem with then any league changes.

More people (in the big ten at least) are more annoyed having Nebraska then any of the new additions
Yeah, that's the danger here. As long as you're included, you don't really care about anything else. Gross.

That's wild though. The bloated conferences and terrible schedules suck in a major way unless you enjoy parsing through nine tiebreakers every year to figure out who's in the championship game. These aren't really competitive conferences anymore. They're just media rights groupings.
 

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There are very few "lesser teams" in a 24 team league. I'm no talking about a P2. I'm talking about when the P2 kick out the Purdues and Vanderbilts of the world. If you're USC, are you cool with being in the 24 team league and going 4-8? If you're Tennessee, are you ok with 5-7? There are going to be a lot of tradition-rich teams taking a lot of losses. All while losing the traditional feel of college football.
Which is one reason why such a league isn’t happening
 
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If you find some Indiana fans I can promise you they were extremely excited with last years team regardless of playoff performance.

Last year was a big stepping stone that they hope to build off of, could just be a flash in the pan or could be a new era of better football in the near future. Indiana fans haven’t had a lot of hope in that field for awhile

How many ranked teams did Indiana play or even beat last year?
 

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Which is one reason why such a league isn’t happening
You better hope not. I'm not so sure. Not in the next few years, but within a decade, at the rate we're going, it's on the table. When have the suits in charge showed any restraint in this sport?
 

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Yeah, that's the danger here. As long as you're included, you don't really care about anything else. Gross.

That's wild though. The bloated conferences and terrible schedules suck in a major way unless you enjoy parsing through nine tiebreakers every year to figure out who's in the championship game. These aren't really competitive conferences anymore. They're just media rights groupings.
What you’re talking about is more of a big12 complaint with the tiebreakers and terrible schedules, which I 100% agree with. The SEC and Big ten aren’t really complaining due to the teams added. Which was my point in the post.

Going back to the times before realignment would be fine but to most people I talk to (antidotal I know) no one really minds the changes, it’s the transfer portal and NIL that get more complaints then the expansion
 

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What you’re talking about is more of a big12 complaint with the tiebreakers and terrible schedules, which I 100% agree with. The SEC and Big ten aren’t really complaining due to the teams added. Which was my point in the post.

Going back to the times before realignment would be fine but to most people I talk to (antidotal I know) no one really minds the changes, it’s the transfer portal and NIL that get more complaints then the expansion
The tiebreakers and terrible schedules are a P4 problem. All of the bloated conferences will have dumb tiebreakers and unbalanced schedules. And that's great that you guys are enjoying the changes. It still looks silly to call Rutgers/USC a Big 10 game. The Big 10 sold out college athletics.
 

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The tiebreakers and terrible schedules are a P4 problem. All of the bloated conferences will have dumb tiebreakers and unbalanced schedules. And that's great that you guys are enjoying the changes. It still looks silly to call Rutgers/USC a Big 10 game. The Big 10 sold out college athletics.
Might be an age thing or being used to it having my teams play in the big ten east where unbalanced schedules have been around for a decade doesn’t have me blinking an eye about schedule issues. Just gives more teams like Indiana a chance to have an awesome season.

Totally agree on the Rutgers/USC thing but it’s also kinda cool to play some of those west coast schools now as they are the ones you would want to be playing anyways. Travel is obv the major stupid part and that I agree with you on as well.
 

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You better hope not. I'm not so sure. Not in the next few years, but within a decade, at the rate we're going, it's on the table. When have the suits in charge showed any restraint in this sport?
Because that would destroy most power programs brands as well as obliterate a lot of interest in sports, which again is why it isn’t happening.
 

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Might be an age thing or being used to it having my teams play in the big ten east where unbalanced schedules have been around for a decade doesn’t have me blinking an eye about schedule issues. Just gives more teams like Indiana a chance to have an awesome season.

Totally agree on the Rutgers/USC thing but it’s also kinda cool to play some of those west coast schools now as they are the ones you would want to be playing anyways. Travel is obv the major stupid part and that I agree with you on as well.
Comparing the divisional setup with 14 teams or whatever it was to a divisionless 18-team league is disingenuous. The disparities are much wider.
 

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I'm referring to the uniformity of the schedules. With so few common opponents, it's not really a conference anymore.

I agree, the Big 10 west teams are about to get a reality check. That said, Iowa's schedule was still soft last season.

They will continue to play at least 3 Big 10 west teams every year.
 
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They will continue to play at least 3 Big 10 west teams every year.
Yeah, they continue to be the luckiest program in america in the last 15 years. A generational run of luck on scheduling. With Wisconsin on the way back to their floor, Iowa could've won 9 games or more for the next 20 years if the divisions had stayed the same. But of course, they still get a weakening Wisconsin, mediocre Minny, and toothless Nebraska. Their schedule this season looks pretty tough though. I'm hoping it gets ugly for Kirk and IC.
 
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This article illustrates the stupidity of the proposed new CFP format, fighting against the NFL and losing millions of dollars in CFP rights fees as a result (great for ESPN as they more likely remain the sole bidder at a ridiculous discount).

As previously posted, there is a much better model that would eliminate the NFL conflicts and earn millions more in rights fees with multiple TV partners:

 
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I'm referring to the uniformity of the schedules. With so few common opponents, it's not really a conference anymore.

I agree, the Big 10 west teams are about to get a reality check. That said, Iowa's schedule was still soft last season.
Ahh I get your point now. And sure I can’t say that sentiment is entirely wrong but it also corresponds with the expanded playoff so I don’t see an issue with it in addition to the fact that to me that doesn’t really matter.

The rivalries that mattered most got protected and I personally kinda like mixing up the teams a little bit. Allows for situations like Indiana last year
 

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