Survivor 48

[chuckd4735]

IT's the women factor and I am not trying to be sexist. Women will vote for women. No matter what. She was clearly the third best player out of Kyle and Joe

Not sure I agree with that. She pulled on my heartstrings all season, and especially at the final tribal. Before the vote, we agreed that she would get second place, and it was between Joe and Kyle for first. Its crazy for how good of a season this was, in the end, the move that Kyle made to get Shauhin out was ultimately what won him the money.

 

[clone136]

Really wanted Eva. Sucker for the story. Thought Kyle played the best game though.


Can someone explain to me why people lie about their professions?

 

[cycloneworld]

Really wanted Eva. Sucker for the story. Thought Kyle played the best game though.


Can someone explain to me why people lie about their professions?

They think lawyers and doctors have a lot of money and don’t need to win.

 

[cycloneworld]

Not sure I agree with that. She pulled on my heartstrings all season, and especially at the final tribal. Before the vote, we agreed that she would get second place, and it was between Joe and Kyle for first. Its crazy for how good of a season this was, in the end, the move that Kyle made to get Shauhin out was ultimately what won him the money.

I cannot believe Joe got ONE vote. The dude was identified as a threat at the beginning of the season and not only did he avoid being voted out, he only got ONE VOTE all season!

I’m fine with Kyle winning because he did play a very well rounded game but I would have easily cast my vote for Joe.

 

[drmwevr08]

Glad Kyle won as I thought he played a better all strings game than the other two. Having a secret for the entirety of this game is tough. Also, having numbers that you can't bully people with makes it far tougher to manage.

 

[Gonzo]

While I feel the outcome was predictable I am happy to see three people in the final 3 who I feel deserved it.

I've been saying the secret K & K alliance would play an integral role in the outcome. They telegraphed the result the way they edited this season.

I thought Eva should have played up the fact she controlled the majority of the advantages more. With her autism it was important for her game to keep the curveballs to a minimum and by controlling the advantages she was able to protect her alliance. This was integral to her game and I think she should have made that point to the jury.

I felt while Joe didn't want to attack Eva to bolster his own game he should have pointed out Kyle's deceptions. He could have explained that he only voted out his alliance members when based on the information he had (from his trusted ally) they had already turned on him. If he was deceived then he was deceived but it was by a lier. From his perspective they turned on him first. While the deception ended up getting the jury members put there it was Kyle's deception and from the information Joe had it was in his best interest to do that. And Kyle did take Joe to the final so his perception and relationship must have been pretty spot on. Joe's final word seemed like he knew Kyle had this won and he was making a desperate plea.

Alas Kyle did in my opinion play the best strategic game. And while I found him the least likable of the 3 I think he did deserve the votes he got. There was a visible shift in final tribal when the K & K bomb dropped. Yes it was lobbed at him by Kamilla but he put her there to do that. He managed the jury the best and put each person there with intent. Then lawyer spoke his way through final tribal. Give me that guy as a lawyer should I ever need one.

The big surprise to me was the Jury saying Kamilla would have had their vote had she been there. I wonder if having time at ponderosa to really flesh out her role had anything to do with that or if there was more going on in the background that the edit didn't show us the viewers.

All in all this was one of the best seasons in a long while. Easily my favorite of the new era.

Agree. It wasn't that long ago when the show's casting department was failing big time, bringing on people who would break down after a few days and volunteer to go home on their own. Whatever kick in the butt they got, it worked. Hopefully it continues.

 

[CYdTracked]

Finally got to watch the finale this morning. All 3 were deserving of winning. Joe would have been my vote then Eva next as I think she did explain her game well at final. Kyle was a deserving winner but I did not like the deceptive game he played over Joe playing an honest game while being the biggest target all season.

Will go more in depth on my thoughts later. This was one of the best seasons in a long time IMO.

 

[HarryClone]

Finally got to watch the finale this morning. All 3 were deserving of winning. Joe would have been my vote then Eva next as I think she did explain her game well at final. Kyle was a deserving winner but I did not like the deceptive game he played over Joe playing an honest game while being the biggest target all season.

Will go more in depth on my thoughts later. This was one of the best seasons in a long time IMO.

Joe is on the rumored cast for Season 50, so maybe we’ll get to see him play again with a recalibrated strategy. As honest as he tried to play, Joe still deceived David and wasn’t up front with Shauhin for their respective exits. The honesty angle sounds great in interviews but you need more than one ingredient for a winning recipe in Survivor. I hope he’s indeed back for 50

 

[cytor]

Finally got to watch the finale this morning. All 3 were deserving of winning. Joe would have been my vote then Eva next as I think she did explain her game well at final. Kyle was a deserving winner but I did not like the deceptive game he played over Joe playing an honest game while being the biggest target all season.

Joe is on the rumored cast for Season 50, so maybe we’ll get to see him play again with a recalibrated strategy. As honest as he tried to play, Joe still deceived David and wasn’t up front with Shauhin for their respective exits. The honesty angle sounds great in interviews but you need more than one ingredient for a winning recipe in Survivor. I hope he’s indeed back for 50

Joe's only deceptions of other people were perpetrated by Kyle's lies.

 

[CYdTracked]

Ok, more in depth thoughts on the season finale...

I think Joe did not sell his game enough at final tribal. He was clearly the biggest threat all season and they could never pull the trigger on voting him out either because he won immunity or had tight alliance bonds. He needed to sell his game that you all wanted me out yet here I am because I still controlled the votes when it mattered. He needed to find a way to poke holes in Kyle's game by exposing the lies he was told which he made his votes against David and Shauhin because of the misinformation he was fed. Maybe telling David in hindsight he realizes now that David was right and he should have listened to him maybe gets that vote flipped in his favor and maybe Shauhin too if if he could turn the narrative that he was lied to but he did not lie to them. I respected the game Joe played and I think he's one of the best players to have played and not win. Hopefully he is back for season 50 and he can make some adjustments and play a little more cutthroat.

Not taking anything away from Kyle because he was deserving to win but I did not like how Kamilla was lobbying the jury on his behalf. I mean I assume they already talk about this stuff on Ponderosa but that was the most out in the open blatant sales pitch from a jury member that I can remember. It boggles my mind that the jury said they would have voted her the winner if it was her instead of Kyle as she totally rode Kyle's coattails to the final 4. It's been awhile since a player like Joe who was a challenge threat and played an openly honest game has won so that is why I was rooting for him since very early on than I was for Kyle who I think on some other seasons I probably would have been rooting for him to win. That's the thing that is so unpredictable about Survivor is that every jury thinks differently so some that have been runner up in certain seasons may have won had they played on a different season and same way with some winners may have not even made the final 3 if playing with a cast like this season.

Eva I thought did a great job with her final pitch to the jury. To me she sold her story better than Joe and Kyle did in that moment. She also rode Joe's coattails to get to the end so I didn't think she would win with him sitting there. When she was struggling to practice fire at camp and Kyle started to practice fire thinking he may need to take Eva's place the thought crossed my mind that maybe he was going to do what some other's have done and give up immunity to do the fire challenge and put 1 more thing on their resume to win. If he had done that and beat Kamilla (he probably would have because she was so bad in that challenge) then I would have probably changed my mind that he was the most deserving to win at that point.

Some have asked why Kyle and Eva lied or kept their occupations as secret. Well in Kyle's case lawyers and doctors usually get a preconceived perception that they don't need the money and especially with lawyers that they know how to lie and talk their way through tough situations so it was to his advantage to not tell them he was a lawyer. Eva kind of the same way, she wanted to be perceived as a sports jock not someone who is working towards a PhD which could be perceived that she was really smart and possibly well off too.

This was an amazing season and cast, there was not a single person on the jury that I disliked and the final 3 were very deserving players that played good games. Had Sai made the jury instead of Cedrek then I could say there was 1 person I couldn't stand. But this cast just had some great players that there were several on the jury that I think had they played on some of the seasons a few years ago that had some just horrible players they could have made final 3 and had a good shot to win. Shauhin, David, Mitch, and I guess Kamilla too all could have made a good case to win if they had made it to final 3. I would not be surprised if at least 2 players from this season are on the season 50 cast. We'll find out next Wednesday I guess. Announcing that cast so soon makes me wonder if season 49 is going to be a dud since they didn't even wait for that season to start airing before diving into promoting 50.

 

[HarryClone]

Joe's only deceptions of other people were perpetrated by Kyle's lies.

You’re absolutely correct. I guess I see it like if Joe had tried more transparency instead of getting defensive with David or beating around the bush with Shauhin, I think he could’ve seen through Kyle’s lies. “Outwit” is one-third of the show’s slogan and in those cases, he was outwitted.

I hope the rumored season 50 cast is correct because it includes Joe and Jonathan, the challenge beast from 42. Those two could make an awesome duo.

 

[isufan]

I thought Joe had a terrible final tribal. He needed to sell his game harder. Being the biggest threat from Day 1 and making it to the end doesn't happen often.

 

[cycloneworld]

I thought Joe had a terrible final tribal. He needed to sell his game harder. Being the biggest threat from Day 1 and making it to the end doesn't happen often.

While playing at honest game. He should have hammered those two points over and over.

And he should have won but this current era of Survivor needs big moves and deception/ backstabbing apparently.

 

[isufan]

I always ponder after the final tribal what the differences are between how the audience views the game (through an edited version) versus how the players viewed the game in real time.

For example, I think the viewers held Joe's game in higher regard than the players because Joe appeared extremely likeable on TV.

Another one would be the other players commenting they didn't want Mitch at Final 3. I viewed him as having an extremely weak game. There wasn't any scenario where I would have voted for Mitch in the Final 3.

 

[CYdTracked]

Been listening to some of the exit interviews and sounds like Eva was not happy that Kamilla cut her off at final tribal when trying to explain the Shauhin vote. She also said that Kyle and Kamilla did not spend a lot of time together and talking so what we saw in the edits was about as long as they were together when they did talk so it surprised most of them when they found out they were working together. The take I got from Joe is if he could change how he played was maybe play more in the moment even if that went against how he had set out to play the game honest no matter what. My guess is Joe will be on Survivor 50. Common theme from these interviews seem to be the edit we see on TV didn't portray some of the relationships entirely. Eva mentioned Her, Joe, Kyle, and Shauhin were her strong 4 all along and that was not always shown in the edits how close those 4 really were. David didn't seem bitter either from what I gathered too, the edits at tribal just made it appear that way.

This is why I kind of miss the Ponderosa series they had on YouTube in past seasons. Some of the behind the scenes stuff comes out once someone is voted out and rarely did you see where someone couldn't come to terms with what happened or hated someone so much for what happened that they couldn't get along at Ponderosa either. Most of the time whoever got voted out got "debriefed" by the other players at Ponderosa about what was going on that they were not aware of. Maybe they stopped doing these because it makes the jury votes more of a mystery when you don't know what they have been talking about at Ponderosa? Would love to see Ponderosa return for season 50 since it will be returning players that are probably pretty familiar with each other already.

 

[Chizit]

"Survivor" cast includes "The White Lotus" creator Mike White for milestone 50th season. See the full list.

"CBS Mornings" exclusively reveals the cast for the 50th season of "Survivor" featuring fan favorites as returning players.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[CYdTracked]

Was just headed to post this... Initial thoughts:

-24 players is a lot. Wonder how many days they will play or how many dual elimination tribals will be needed to weed through that many. Also wonder if they have some kind of redemption island thing like they did in 40 which allows them another chance to get back in the game since they committed to playing a milestone season so an early out would suck
-Not too excited about Stephenie LaGrossa, she is a terribly over-rated player IMO
-I'm neutral on Cirie, not one of my favorite players but she is likable and played well
-I like Ozzy but he and Cirie have already played 4 times and not won so I would have been ok had both been left off too as we've seen them enough already
-I am not a fan of Coach but I am not shocked he is on the cast. Just hope he is past the annoying "dragon slayer" crap as he is probably one of my least favorite players ever on the show
-Angelina is probably not some fan's favorite player but I like the pick, she was a bit of a villain on her season
-I am THRILLED to see 3 from season 48 made it in Joe, Kyle, and Kamilla although I would have preferred someone like Shauhin David or Mitch over Kamilla
-Not a fan of "Q" but he'll make some good drama I am sure
-Lots of 2nd place finishers, glad to see Charlie back as he should have beat Kenzi in season 46 if the jury wasn't so stupid. 46 was probably one of the dumbest casts that I can recall
-Not surprised that a lot of the first season players are not on the cast as that was 25 years ago so some probably just aren't physically up for it or burned out. Plus fans probably don't want to see more Boston Rob, Sandra, Cochran, Tony, Parvarti, Tyson etc that have played a lot of days already
-Speaking of most days played, Ozzy and Cirie are #3 and 4 all time with 128 and 121 days played. Next closest are Aubry 111 Colby 98 Coach 96 Stephanie 75
-Would love to know who they asked to play that declined or who wasn't asked at all. We'll probably never know

Definitely a good mix of personalities that I think will be interesting to see who aligns with who. Have a few that tend to cause some drama and chaos but also a lot of really strong and experienced players too from different eras of the show. Hope the 2 from the upcoming 49 aren't disappointments once we know who they are. As I've always said when there is a season that has a returning winner, they should be the 1st targets out if everyone is playing to win so that should mean Dee and Kyle will be prime targets early if some of these players that came close before want the best chance of winning.

 

[Drew0311]

Was just headed to post this... Initial thoughts:

-24 players is a lot. Wonder how many days they will play or how many dual elimination tribals will be needed to weed through that many. Also wonder if they have some kind of redemption island thing like they did in 40 which allows them another chance to get back in the game since they committed to playing a milestone season so an early out would suck
-Not too excited about Stephenie LaGrossa, she is a terribly over-rated player IMO
-I'm neutral on Cirie, not one of my favorite players but she is likable and played well
-I like Ozzy but he and Cirie have already played 4 times and not won so I would have been ok had both been left off too as we've seen them enough already
-I am not a fan of Coach but I am not shocked he is on the cast. Just hope he is past the annoying "dragon slayer" crap as he is probably one of my least favorite players ever on the show
-Angelina is probably not some fan's favorite player but I like the pick, she was a bit of a villain on her season
-I am THRILLED to see 3 from season 48 made it in Joe, Kyle, and Kamilla although I would have preferred someone like Shauhin David or Mitch over Kamilla
-Not a fan of "Q" but he'll make some good drama I am sure
-Lots of 2nd place finishers, glad to see Charlie back as he should have beat Kenzi in season 46 if the jury wasn't so stupid. 46 was probably one of the dumbest casts that I can recall
-Not surprised that a lot of the first season players are not on the cast as that was 25 years ago so some probably just aren't physically up for it or burned out. Plus fans probably don't want to see more Boston Rob, Sandra, Cochran, Tony, Parvarti, Tyson etc that have played a lot of days already
-Speaking of most days played, Ozzy and Cirie are #3 and 4 all time with 128 and 121 days played. Next closest are Aubry 111 Colby 98 Coach 96 Stephanie 75
-Would love to know who they asked to play that declined or who wasn't asked at all. We'll probably never know

Definitely a good mix of personalities that I think will be interesting to see who aligns with who. Have a few that tend to cause some drama and chaos but also a lot of really strong and experienced players too from different eras of the show. Hope the 2 from the upcoming 49 aren't disappointments once we know who they are. As I've always said when there is a season that has a returning winner, they should be the 1st targets out if everyone is playing to win so that should mean Dee and Kyle will be prime targets early if some of these players that came close before want the best chance of winning.

I am over the Cerie and Ozzy thing. Let's move on. Cerie just played Survivor Austrailia or is playing right now. I think Jeff really wants her to win so they keep bringing her back.

 

[drmwevr08]

It's amazing how few of the previous players I can really recall without looking for old show pictures. I actually have a better chance of remembering players from way back than i do only a couple seasons ago!
That said, I recall many of these and it does sound like an interesting cast!

 

[CYdTracked]

It's amazing how few of the previous players I can really recall without looking for old show pictures. I actually have a better chance of remembering players from way back than i do only a couple seasons ago!
That said, I recall many of these and it does sound like an interesting cast!

Yeah there are a few I had to go back and look up but probably 75% I knew something of by name. This is an interesting read:

Jeff Probst says last 'Survivor 50' cast cuts were 'brutal'

IMO if there were some tough cuts anyone that had already won a season or played at least 4, maybe even 3 seasons already should have been cut or ones that were not chosen over some close ones that only played 1 or 2 seasons. Season 40 was already winners at war with all the cast former winners, I kinda like the notion of an all runners up or top 5 finish or bringing back some players that their time was cut short for a medical or personal reason possibly as the baseline for making the cut. This one breaks down which seasons and what finish they had:

'Survivor 50' cast revealed

If you cut out anyone without a top 5 finish that takes out Christian (7th in David vs Goliath, I don't remember him) Emily who was 7th on season 45, Q 6th in 46, Tiffany 8th in 46 (I really don't get this pick at all) I get the popularity of Ozzy and Cirie but I could do without them going to play a 5th season now. Remove Kyle and Dee as former winners and that opens up 8 spots you could have used on some more intriguing players. Guessing some former players who felt they were snubbed will be voicing their opinions in the coming days.

Out of this cast Charlie, Joe, Colby, Mike White, Angelina, Rick Devins are ones I probably will be following the closest and hoping make it far as they all have come pretty close in the past. Probably will root for early exits for Coach, Cirie, Ozzy, Stephenie and Q.