Idaho killings

[WooBadger18]

How do you not consult the families before giving a plea deal

I’m not seeing anything saying that they didn’t consult the families, just that not everyone agrees with the decision.

And while I think that the families should be allowed to give their opinion, at the end of the day it should be the prosecutor’s call

 

[Drew0311]

How do you not consult the families before giving a plea deal

Exactly. It’s almost like the prosecutor didn’t want to do the heavy work and prosecute him. Total chicken bleep deal by the prosecutor

 

[cycloner29]

Why does Idaho even have a death penalty then? The guy just has that evil look about him.

 

[xboxfever]

I guess we’ll have to wait for the Netflix documentary in a few years to hear all the evidence.

 

[BigJCy]

 

[simply1]

I’m not seeing anything saying that they didn’t consult the families, just that not everyone agrees with the decision.

And while I think that the families should be allowed to give their opinion, at the end of the day it should be the prosecutor’s call

They sure don’t act like it was in the mix.

 

[Gorm]

Seems like I hear about a plea deal being taken for life instead of the death penalty on a lot of cases when watching Forensic files. Seems pretty common.

 

[isucy86]

Mixed emotions. If anyone deserves the death penalty, he does.

But a plea bargain is probably good for the well-being of the two surviving roommates as they won't have to testify and relive the nightmare. And even though the families sound like want him dead, they are probably better off not having to experience a protracted trial. And he would probably be on death row for 20 years before execution.

 

[alarson]

Seems like I hear about a plea deal being taken for life instead of the death penalty on a lot of cases when watching Forensic files. Seems pretty common.

Life in prison is ultimately likely to be less expensive for the state, and accomplishes most if not all of the same societal goals of removing someone awful from society permanently. And of course there's always the % of risk that they could fail to get a conviction at trial which would be an even bigger punch to the victims' families. Average time of a death row inmate in Idaho is about 20 years as well, so its not like he'd be executed right away anyway.

Totally get why the families may want the death penalty, and he certainly doesn't deserve to live after what he did, but the courts don't exist just to get revenge for victims, they (ideally) exist to serve the public good.

 

[WooBadger18]

They sure don’t act like it was in the mix.

The families? Obviously they’ve been following the case closer than I have, but from what I remember, the prosecutors have been fighting to keep the death penalty on the table.

Mixed emotions. If anyone deserves the death penalty, he does.

But a plea bargain is probably good for the well-being of the two surviving roommates as they won't have to testify and relive the nightmare. And even though the families sound like want him dead, they are probably better off not having to experience a protracted trial. And he would probably be on death row for 20 years before execution.

I actually think this is a case where he shouldn’t have gotten the death penalty.

I’m against the death penalty because innocent people have been put to death, I don’t think you can create a standard that will only result in guilty people getting the death penalty, and I don’t think the risk is worth it. However, I get the argument that the death penalty should be reserved where there is absolutely no doubt (e.g. a mass shooter is arrested in the act).

We have a lot of evidence (including DNA evidence) tying him to the crime, but it isn’t a “caught in the act” situation. It is possible that he did not do it. I think he did it, but I’m sure the jurors that voted for innocent people to be put to death were also convinced that they did it.

 

[cycloner29]

Life in prison is ultimately likely to be less expensive for the state, and accomplishes most if not all of the same societal goals of removing someone awful from society permanently. And of course there's always the % of risk that they could fail to get a conviction at trial which would be an even bigger punch to the victims' families. Average time of a death row inmate in Idaho is about 20 years as well, so its not like he'd be executed right away anyway.

Totally get why the families may want the death penalty, and he certainly doesn't deserve to live after what he did, but the courts don't exist just to get revenge for victims, they (ideally) exist to serve the public good.

Then why does the Idaho have the death penalty then? What does it take then to be given the death penalty? Mass shooting or murdering more than four people?

 

[ISUser]

Then why does the Idaho have the death penalty then? What does it take then to be given the death penalty? Mass shooting or murdering more than four people?

In many instances it's there for exactly what's happening in this case. Think of the death penalty as the law version of a nuclear deterrent. With the death penalty as a possibility, you can entice suspects to plead to a life sentence to avoid the death penalty. It avoids a lengthy and costly trial that in many cases causes additional grief to the families, victims, or others that have to testify. If the suspect insists on going through with the trial they'll leave the death penalty on the table.

If a life sentence without parole is the worse punishment that can be administered then why what reason is there for a suspect to plead guilty? Might as well fight it out and hope for the best. The only way prosecutors can entice a guilty plea with a life sentence is to give the suspect a possibility of parole at some point.

 

[JP4CY]

Those that have followed this case, did his parents have to testify?

 

[HFCS]

Life in prison is ultimately likely to be less expensive for the state, and accomplishes most if not all of the same societal goals of removing someone awful from society permanently. And of course there's always the % of risk that they could fail to get a conviction at trial which would be an even bigger punch to the victims' families. Average time of a death row inmate in Idaho is about 20 years as well, so its not like he'd be executed right away anyway.

Totally get why the families may want the death penalty, and he certainly doesn't deserve to live after what he did, but the courts don't exist just to get revenge for victims, they (ideally) exist to serve the public good.

I don’t think many people who oppose the death penalty oppose it for this guy, but for knowing the hundreds of people who were eventually cleared by dna evidence effectively proving we’ve been convicting or even executing innocent people. It’s just too difficult to draw the line somewhere deciding who the beyond all doubt, beyond redemption monsters are.

I’m sure a few people are like “don’t even kill ants and spiders” but far more oppose it for basic logic and decency that they can’t be part of executing even one innocent person…basically why I don’t think it’s even much of a “cave” issue anymore like it was in the 80s before all this dna evidence overturned so many convictions. I can’t remember the last time I saw a passionate debate about it in a campaign and when I was a kid it was easily a top five issue.

 

[Clonefan32]

The families? Obviously they’ve been following the case closer than I have, but from what I remember, the prosecutors have been fighting to keep the death penalty on the table.


I actually think this is a case where he shouldn’t have gotten the death penalty.

I’m against the death penalty because innocent people have been put to death, I don’t think you can create a standard that will only result in guilty people getting the death penalty, and I don’t think the risk is worth it. However, I get the argument that the death penalty should be reserved where there is absolutely no doubt (e.g. a mass shooter is arrested in the act).

We have a lot of evidence (including DNA evidence) tying him to the crime, but it isn’t a “caught in the act” situation. It is possible that he did not do it. I think he did it, but I’m sure the jurors that voted for innocent people to be put to death were also convinced that they did it.

This was my first thought when I heard he's pleading. I get the anger towards the prosecutor, and I get the families being upset. But from what I've seen this is not quite a slam-dunk case. Really all of the evidence is circumstantial.

Do I think he did it? Absolutely. But do I think you run the risk of a juror or two not feeling like the state has upheld their burden? I do. A plea deal keeps him locked up for life, avoids any risk, and avoids painful testimony and decades of appeals.

 

[Turn2]

Those that have followed this case, did his parents have to testify?

A trial would have forced several Pennsylvania residents to testify in Idaho on behalf of the defendant.

 

[CascadeClone]

OK, I am old. What is the meme or whatever with the CP logo popping up all over CF? What am I missing?

 

[WooBadger18]

OK, I am old. What is the meme or whatever with the CP logo popping up all over CF? What am I missing?

What logo?

 

[CascadeClone]

OK, I am old. What is the meme or whatever with the CP logo popping up all over CF? What am I missing?

NVM I think I got it. One of the MANY of these had a note about filtering policy. So it must be our IT provider blocking out content people are posting with their logo. What I see is below.

Too bad it doesn't block out the ads and videos that make CF hard to use. I got a brand new desktop at home, and it can't even load CF lol.

One more thing pushing me out of my fandom. Age. Apathy. P2 BS. Now IT.

 

[Turn2]

NVM I think I got it. One of the MANY of these had a note about filtering policy. So it must be our IT provider blocking out content people are posting with their logo. What I see is below.

Too bad it doesn't block out the ads and videos that make CF hard to use. I got a brand new desktop at home, and it can't even load CF lol.

One more thing pushing me out of my fandom. Age. Apathy. P2 BS. Now IT.


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