When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[HFCS]

Wonder if it wasn’t promoting child seats. Think I remember ones where it showed kids snapping forward and the belt was either head high and broke the neck or the neck whiplash did.

That must have been it, poorly worded or filmed likely that it made seatbelts look dangerous.

 

[CascadeClone]

Not at all. There are 2 hydrogen stations near my house

 

[1SEIACLONE]

I’m 100% sure. It’s like 1/3 of new car sales here in LA and very clear the trend setters with money do not want to bother with gas anymore. Also globally lots of countries (small and massive populations) are well past the tipping point of permanent embrace.

There are infrastructure challenges but electricity will always be everywhere and there are many ways to generate it, the truth is everything BUT electric fuel is the thing with long term question marks and bottlenecks.

What other fuel could we use where 60-70% of people already own their own personal fueling station? How expensive is it to build your own gas or hydrogen station in rural America vs a level 1 or level 2 EV charger?

But overall in the US EV's are only 7.5 to 10% of all new vehicles purchased last year. So 90% of all vehicle sold nation wide still used gas or diesel and most have multiple stations within minutes of their home or work in both urban and rural areas. In many areas it's as easy to get LP and burn that as a fuel as it to find a charging station for public use. Last time I looked rural Centerville had 2 charging stations for public use and this is in a town of 7,500 people or so. In large urban areas I am sure they are all over, but until they reach the small towns, they are just spinning their wheels.

 

[CascadeClone]

That's fine. Accounting for long trips is reasonable to do, as is factoring whether its the only car, or a second car.

99% of people do not drive >250 miles daily. That's not much of a deciding factor in buying or not buying an EV, or at least it shouldn't be. It's an illogical use case to account for, for the extreme majority of average people. Vehicle decisions shouldn't be made around circumstances that occur once or twice a year, for something used every other day, with the ability to fuel itself at home when not being driven (and it's doing that significantly cheaper than actual gas).

I bet 50% of pickups are bought by people that actually use the bed (and a regular trunk wouldn't suffice) less than 3x per year.

Totally agree people buy for the exceptions rather than the rule. We are dumb.

 

[HFCS]

Again, its not that they are doing it daily or even weekly, it's their ability to do it when they have the want or need. Right now the infrastructure in many places just do not make EV practical for everyone.
Major car companies here in the US and across the globe are pulling back their commitment to EVs, producing fewer vehicles not more. They are unsure of the future of the vehicle, which says a lot, as they are the ones not only building them, but planning what we will purchase in the future. I am not against EV's, just unsure and unwilling to commit to something that may not be the standard 10 years from now and does not have the infrastructure in place right now to support it, in many areas of the country.

Here’s what I see as legit concerns living somewhere that EVs are going to outnumber gas soon.

- you need to be able to charge at home or it’s a hassle, if you can charge at home gas cars are a big hassle
- on a road trip you need to get an idea if the charging stations will be mostly available or if there’s a line. 20-30 minutes to charge, pee, eat, etc is no big deal. 90 minutes to do that because you had to wait in a line is killer
- you only have one vehicle and that vehicle is constantly towing heavy stuff uphill in extreme heat/cold (rare but let’s get it out of the way)

There is very little or no risk that EVs are going away entirely.

 

[BryceC]

Again, its not that they are doing it daily or even weekly, it's their ability to do it when they have the want or need. Right now the infrastructure in many places just do not make EV practical for everyone.
Major car companies here in the US and across the globe are pulling back their commitment to EVs, producing fewer vehicles not more. They are unsure of the future of the vehicle, which says a lot, as they are the ones not only building them, but planning what we will purchase in the future. I am not against EV's, just unsure and unwilling to commit to something that may not be the standard 10 years from now and does not have the infrastructure in place right now to support it, in many areas of the country.

And again, nobody is saying that it is perfect for every situation.

For 99% of situations, it’s perfectly fine.

If people are concerned about trips, just take the money you are saving on gas and put it to a car rental for the one or two times a year you want a long road trip.

 

[dmclone]

But overall in the US EV's are only 7.5 to 10% of all new vehicles purchased last year. So 90% of all vehicle sold nation wide still used gas or diesel and most have multiple stations within minutes of their home or work in both urban and rural areas. In many areas it's as easy to get LP and burn that as a fuel as it to find a charging station for public use. Last time I looked rural Centerville had 2 charging stations for public use and this is in a town of 7,500 people or so. In large urban areas I am sure they are all over, but until they reach the small towns, they are just spinning their wheels.

If you live in Centerville and own a Tesla that has 300 miles range, why do you care how many chargers are in Centerville. I live in Urbandale, do you know how many times I'm going to need a charger in Des Moines......zero. In my nearly 40 years of driving, I've never "driven around town" for 250+ miles in one day. Hell I don't think I've driven 100 miles around Des Moines in one day.

In summary, people that have never owned one have a tough time wrapping their head around charging at home.

 

[HFCS]

But overall in the US EV's are only 7.5 to 10% of all new vehicles purchased last year. So 90% of all vehicle sold nation wide still used gas or diesel and most have multiple stations within minutes of their home or work in both urban and rural areas. In many areas it's as easy to get LP and burn that as a fuel as it to find a charging station for public use. Last time I looked rural Centerville had 2 charging stations for public use and this is in a town of 7,500 people or so. In large urban areas I am sure they are all over, but until they reach the small towns, they are just spinning their wheels.

There needs to be infrastructure growth but probably not as much as you instinctively think. Every garage in Centerville is a working fuel station for the people who live there, the public charging station is exclusively for people driving though that small town on a 200+ mile trip, and like you said right now with only 7% of all cars that’s like .5% of drivers. The town probably only needs 2 now and maybe 10-15 if 100% of drivers were using EVs.

 

[CascadeClone]

But overall in the US EV's are only 7.5 to 10% of all new vehicles purchased last year. So 90% of all vehicle sold nation wide still used gas or diesel and most have multiple stations within minutes of their home or work in both urban and rural areas. In many areas it's as easy to get LP and burn that as a fuel as it to find a charging station for public use. Last time I looked rural Centerville had 2 charging stations for public use and this is in a town of 7,500 people or so. In large urban areas I am sure they are all over, but until they reach the small towns, they are just spinning their wheels.

Give it time. In 10 years it will be half. Agree rural areas will be slower, but 80% of America lives in cities. And as more solar goes into homes it makes more sense, etc etc.

 

[BCClone]

And again, nobody is saying that it is perfect for every situation.

For 99% of situations, it’s perfectly fine.

If people are concerned about trips, just take the money you are saving on gas and put it to a car rental for the one or two times a year you want a long road trip.

99% personal, commercial situations is where issues will be highest. And that is where most mikes in the US are driven I’m guessing.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Here’s what I see as legit concerns living somewhere that EVs are going to outnumber gas soon.

- you need to be able to charge at home or it’s a hassle, if you can charge at home gas cars are a big hassle
- on a road trip you need to get an idea if the charging stations will be mostly available or if there’s a line. 20-30 minutes to charge, pee, eat, etc is no big deal. 90 minutes to do that because you had to wait in a line is killer
- you only have one vehicle and that vehicle is constantly towing heavy stuff uphill in extreme heat/cold (rare but let’s get it out of the way)

There is very little or no risk that EVs are going away entirely.

EVs are not going away, but 5 to 10 years ago, they looked like the successor to gas and diesel and every vehicle manufacturer around the globe was gearing up for the time when most of their sales would be from EV's. Those same manufactures today are scaling back those plans, and it's very possible that EV's never become more than a niche purchase for many people. Until they solve the problem over recharging time, and how long the charge goes, before needed to recharge, and have the infrastructure in place to charge quickly and easily, many are not going go out and purchase an EV.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

If you live in Centerville and own a Tesla that has 300 miles range, why do you care how many chargers are in Centerville. I live in Urbandale, do you know how many times I'm going to need a charger in Des Moines......zero. In my nearly 40 years of driving, I've never "driven around town" for 250+ miles in one day. Hell I don't think I've driven 100 miles around Des Moines in one day.

In summary, people that have never owned one have a tough time wrapping their head around charging at home.

True, if you live there, you can go home and charge, but how about if you are traveling, visiting family or friends and are just there for the day? As I said before, from Bloomfield to Ames is right at 125 miles each way, that would be taxing the limit for many EV's just getting there and back, not taking into account of driving around while there or the affects of cold or very hot weather would have on the charge.
Are EV's great for a work car, or tooling around and taking it home every night to recharge, sure they are, but you also limit your ability to do many other day to day driving items. Hell, I know people driving a couple of times a week after work over 100 miles each way to see their kids play in ball games or tournaments after working all day. Just when are they going to charge those vehicle when many places do not offer charging at their workplace and even if they did, you would have to plug it in all day long? I can gas up a vehicle in 5 to 10 minutes, until you can do that with EV's, many will not get onboard.

 

[BCClone]

True, if you live there, you can go home and charge, but how about if you are traveling, visiting family or friends and are just there for the day? As I said before, from Bloomfield to Ames is right at 125 miles each way, that would be taxing the limit for many EV's just getting there and back, not taking into account of driving around while there or the affects of cold or very hot weather would have on the charge.
Are EV's great for a work car, or tooling around and taking it home every night to recharge, sure they are, but you also limit your ability to do many other day to day driving items. Hell, I know people driving a couple of times a week after work over 100 miles each way to see their kids play in ball games or tournaments after working all day. Just when are they going to charge those vehicle when many places do not offer charging at their workplace and even if they did, you would have to plug it in all day long? I can gas up a vehicle in 5 to 10 minutes, until you can do that with EV's, many will not get onboard.

Put solar panels on the cars roof and trunk.

 

[MeowingCows]

I bet 50% of pickups are bought by people that actually use the bed (and a regular trunk wouldn't suffice) less than 3x per year.

Totally agree people buy for the exceptions rather than the rule. We are dumb.

Trucks are just fashionable in general, they are default family haulers now. Dudes will take a truck over a Tahoe or a minivan, it's a better look for them. Bonus points for 24" rims with A/Ts mounted and a 2" lift for something that hardly sees even a gravel road.

They are a massive contributor to this growing trend due to being incredibly expensive, yet selling in astronomical numbers.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Trucks are just fashionable in general, they are default family haulers now. Dudes will take a truck over a Tahoe or a minivan, it's a better look for them. Bonus points for 24" rims with A/Ts mounted and a 2" lift for something that hardly sees even a gravel road.

They are a massive contributor to this growing trend due to being incredibly expensive, yet selling in astronomical numbers.

Very true, I always thought it was funny watching the number of tricked out diesel pickup trucks the kids would drive to school in our small rural community and then complain for everyone to hear that the Biden price of diesel is killing them. A teacher a few years older than I and would sit there and we would talk about when we were parking in that exact same parking lot in the late 70s how it was full of what today would be classic muscle cars, we never would be caught driving a pickup to school.

 

[mramseyISU]

It's a huge drawback for people that only have one vehicle. I agree you do not need to travel much each day, but how many are going to purchase a vehicle that really is not suited to traveling for vacations and such without a lot of planning beforehand?
EV's have their place, but until they get down the charging time, it's going to be very limited for many people.

Just curious how often do you think people would need to hook up to a DC fast charger? And when they do how long do you think it takes to charge enough for 200 miles of additional range?

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Just curious how often do you think people would need to hook up to a DC fast charger? And when they do how long do you think it takes to charge enough for 200 miles of additional range?

Totally depends on where you going. If I had an EV, driving to work, 82 miles each day, I would be fine, now on Saturday taking the vehicle up to Ames to visit the daughter or go to an ISU game is a total different story, when its 125 miles each way.
It takes me five minutes or less to gas up, the electrical charge I would say 20 minutes and that is if I can find one of the fast chargers.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Totally depends on where you going. If I had an EV, driving to work, 82 miles each day, I would be fine, now on Saturday taking the vehicle up to Ames to visit the daughter or go to an ISU game is a total different story, when its 125 miles each way.
It takes me five minutes or less to gas up, the electrical charge I would say 20 minutes and that is if I can find one of the fast chargers.

I think we get it. EV's are not for you.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

I think we get it. EV's are not for you.

Well when they are only 7.5% to 10% of total vehicles sold, I would guess you could say they are not for a majority of people at this time.

 

[MeowingCows]

Well when they are only 7.5% to 10% of total vehicles sold, I would guess you could say they are not for a majority of people at this time.

Probably time to abandon them, I guess. Back to coal.