This just isn’t the reality I’m living in. It’s already here (not the future) and quite normal. There are issues but they are minor, gas prices and infrastructure create issues too.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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This just isn’t the reality I’m living in. It’s already here (not the future) and quite normal. There are issues but they are minor, gas prices and infrastructure create issues too.
No, move on to hybrids and then figure out the next step. Are EV the solution to our energy problems down the road, maybe, but the people making the vehicles are unsure and are scaling back production. That alone should tell you something that the future is unclear.
Hybrids also make up about 10% of new car sales, so I hear they aren't for enough people to keep up with. Maybe they aren't right for a large enough population and we need to find a new solution.
Maybe, turn back to coal I hear, many people are talking about it.
I find it a little strange that your talking point standards work against EVs but don't work against hybrids with the same values. Both "only make up 10% of the market", which to you means EVs should be abandoned.
EVs are currently the basis of hybrid systems. Their development is completely intertwined.
Not really with a hybrid I do not have to recharge the vehicle, just pull in and gas it up. One is practical for every use, there other EVs are not.
Again, I am not against EVs, I think for some they are a great choice, but not for everyone and have many drawbacks for many. Urban person. driving back and forth to work and running around town on the weekend, great. People in rural communities or taking them on vacation, not so much.
People like new technology, we always have, but many are unsure about EVs and it's based on good reason.
wait until I tell you about what we buy for houses, food, clothing, entertainment, pets, etc., etc. verses our needs.
If you have an BEV with a medium size battery you're looking at 320ish miles of range on your round trip of 350 miles. So you'd need to stop for an extra 50 miles of range to be on the safe side. There are several 100kW chargers available in Ames right off of highway 30. Using a Model 3 for the math it needs about 12kW to run for 50 miles. So you're saying it takes you substantially less than 10 minutes to grab a Dr Pepper and take a leak on your way out of town? Now obviously that charge time will vary depending on your vehicle and the charger you pick but you need to treat this like people used to at full service stations. Instead of fill'er up you need to think give me 50 miles worth or something like that. Now the lack of chargers in rural areas is a challenge and will continue to be, not so much for the people who live there even though they're the ones who think this is insurmountable. It's a challenge for people like me who live in a more urban area who go visit family in those rural areas without chargers publicly available.
I think what will happen is people like yourself will get one knowing there's absolutely no downside to have it as the second car...and then realize it's more convenient than you even knew. This has already happened with most of my neighbors in an area where EVs are common because they are cheaper than gas cars.
I've been comparing charging at home vs gas station as Netflix and Blockbuster rentals.
Another way to think about it (and people have to be 40 or older to get this) is charging your car is like charging your phone at night to listen to music the next day while a gas car is more like putting AA batteries into a walkman or portable CD player. Yeah the AA batteries provide an instant 100% charge but getting those batteries is pain in the ace vs just plugging something into the outlet your house already has.
It seems that your viewpoints boil down to "I don't want an EV so nobody does, but I do want a hybrid so everyone does".
The problem with this is that the sales volumes don't bear this out, as they are nearly identical between the two. This is where you're losing me in these arguments. If it's not because of "fear of a new thing", why isn't everyone driving a hybrid already? You say they work for everyone. They've been around for about 30 years now. EVs have functionally been around for less than half that time and have already caught up in sales.
You can't say "10% sales means nobody wants them and has no confidence" about EVs, then not also apply that to hybrids, which also sell at that volume. Is that the measuring stick, or not?
There's already that new EV tech in China that charges fully in 5 minutes but you have to plug in two cables...and I'm guessing even if we get it to that people would groan they have to plug in two cables instead of one pump. If we somehow got it to one cable and 5 minutes, I'm guessing it would go back to range or towing or reduce range in extreme heat/cold.
At this point you are just spamming the thread. It would be like me posting a dozen times in a wrestling thread when I don't really like wrestling.
Let me run that for you.
Let's assume you leave the house in Bloomfiled at 90%.
Your total drive time for the day is 4 hours and 35 minutes. To make it work, you'd have to spend a staggering 9 minutes charging up in Ames. Roughly 2 minutes longer than what it would take to fill up your car with gas and take a whiz.
edit! I forgot to mention the 5 seconds it will take you to plug your car in when you get home to "fill it up"
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I am curious for anybody who has actually driven an EV to Ames on the day of a football or basketball game and used a fast charger right after the game. Is there a big line or is it fine?
The only time in 18 months I've had any problems at all is when I drove Vegas to LA on Christmas day and I did not expect the highways/charging to be that busy, I thought everybody would be home and travelling the day after.
There are unique situations like this to talk about...but a rural family who can charge at home thinking they can't have an EV in rural America probably isn't one. I'm guessing some who live a long ways from the closest gas station would love having fuel at home.
The towing is a real thing but.... the number of people who this would actually be a problem is miniscule in comparison to the amount of people who are hauling air around in the 3/4 ton truck. Like I told my grandpa when he was checking out the Lightning I had for a few days. That truck is perfect for me 360 days a year.
Ocean going vessels used to burn coal 100% until better things came along.
Think of all the coal shovelers who were laid off during the switch to bunker fuel. They took err jerbs.
Charging tine and the cost of entry into EV's (assuming something larger than a compact vehicle) are big barriers for a lot of folks.
Friend went to look at one last night the salesman..... The Leaf Iowa city Nissan are bricking while charging or just after. You have to get them towed on a flatbed truck take them to the dealership to get the error codes erased. I don't think the salesman wanted to sell them an EV.
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I read nonsense like that and we might as well roll out the welcome mat for the Chinese to take over the world.
