This is the only thing I disagree on. Most of the time it’s based on terrible reasons.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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This is the only thing I disagree on. Most of the time it’s based on terrible reasons.
I don’t think the charging time is as big as people make it out to be. Dropping six figures on a pickup seems to be the bigger issue.
It's a math equation of where you live and the local price of gas vs electric rate for many...assuming someone is for sure going to buy a full size new truck.
It's kind of wild you can even have the conversation about a full size truck now vs say 10 years ago.
It’s about $25,000 more for the Lightning XLT vs F-150 XLT.
F-150 averages 20-24 mpg.
Gas in Iowa is a touch over $3
$25,000 / $3 = 8,333 gallons of gas
8,333 gallons * 22 mpg = 183,326 miles
So even before you add in electricity costs, the cost of that BEV upgrade is goong to take a lot of miles to make up the price tag. Obviously, that math changes when you get to $5-$6 gas and adding maintenance. But ultimately, that BEV upgrade for pickups isn’t really to save money. At least in areas that aren’t seeing that $5-$6 gas. But the electricity is also higher in those areas.
I think that's true. I've never driven a lightning, but I'm guessing the driving experience is at a whole other level than your standard F150.
I just looked at Stivers and a 2025 Lightning XLT, which has a sticker of $65k, can be bought for $53k. That's $30k less than a Ford raptor, with similar acceleration and a lot less obnoxious.
And that's the best part, every morning when I come out my car has a full tank and I am ready to go. And it only costs a few cents a day.
Not to be the well actually guy but.... If you compare a standard range XLT Lightning with a gas XLT F-150 they're within $2k or less depending on the options at least they are at my local Ford dealer. The extended range Lightning is about $10k more than that. If you're a typical suburban dad who needs a truck because I want a truck dammit then that payoff between the two even at $3 Iowa gas is pretty quick.
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Only 1 example and this was several years ago. Took my brothers Model 3 from Omaha to Ames for a game. He just topped off at the super charger in West Des Moines on the way to Ames and then had plenty to get back after the game. If you're heading through DSM after the game you'd have options in Ankeny, Bondurant and WDM to charge if the Ames ones are packed, I doubt it would be a problem. Noticed several F150 Lightnings in the lots last season.
I did some corner cutting and based the prices off a google search. But diving deeper, it looks like the base XLT models are about $18k ($45k vs $63k) apart on the Ford website. But, of course dealers never carry the base models so the prices could be closer in real life. Add in the EV subsidies for a while long and that number does get closer still.
Curious where you are getting your figures here. A 2025 F-150 XLT is $64k-$66k. My Lightning that I just leased stickered for $66k. the same gas powered F-150 is rated for 18/23 mpg. Obviously the Lightning will get better than that.
I will drive this truck 75k miles over the next 3 years, and can charge it at work for free. At the same time, my Cherokee that got 24-25 mpg would cost me almost $7400 miles. Heres the math
20k miles per year divided by my mpg on my old car(using 25 mpg as the estimate)
20,000/25=800 total gallons of fuel per year.
800 gallons of fuel multiplied by the $3.07 cost of fuel in my area means i would have spent $2,456 on fuel this year alone. since its a 3 year lease, in total it will save me $7,368.
Now, I can charge it at work for free which is a benefit i have that not everyone does, but even if i had to charge at my house using a level 2 charger, it would cost me like $4? to charge for 8 hours. Even if i had to do that 30 nights a month, I'm still saving roughly $1100 per year.
I didnt buy an EV because i wanted one, I bought one because I logically and financially couldnt argue against it anymore
I bought my new truck about a month too early last spring. I was seeing prices around here where you could get a Lariat with the bigger battery for a little under $65k after you factor in the tax incentives. I ended up in a hybrid Tundra but I'd rather have a Lightning. Now I'm going to wait for the Scout trucks to start shipping I think.
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But I see what you’re getting at. The dealer lot prices are closer than what’s listed as base cost on the Ford website. The F-150 XLT seems to have more low end feature offerings than the Lightning XLT to get that base price number down that they list.
Again, I have nothing against EV, why do you keep saying I do, they are just not for everyone. If I was still working, and not retired, I would like at purchasing an EV as my drive to work vehicle. But you know what I do not have to do driving my hybrid or a gas vehicle, I do not have to plan and search out where a charging station is, there are gas stations everywhere, that is not true about charging stations, nor will be in true now that Trump has cut those funds.
If EVs were the future than why are auto companies cutting back on their announced plans to scale up production? They are unsure of the market and do not want to end up like Tesla with a lot of vehicles that they cannot sell.
The EV pullback: Why these 5 automakers are retreating from big plans | Trellis
The EV mania of the past few years is meeting a new reality of stubbornly sluggish consumer demand. As a result, automakers are paring back their grand ambitions.
trellis.net
The problem is no dealer will have anything listed for that as you mentioned before. all ford trucks will have options on them, and so the base price is irrelevant
Man, I wonder why Tesla is experiencing worldwide sales losses... it's not because the cars have a battery in them.Again, I have nothing against EV, why do you keep saying I do, they are just not for everyone. If I was still working, and not retired, I would like at purchasing an EV as my drive to work vehicle. But you know what I do not have to do driving my hybrid or a gas vehicle, I do not have to plan and search out where a charging station is, there are gas stations everywhere, that is not true about charging stations, nor will be in true now that Trump has cut those funds.
If EVs were the future than why are auto companies cutting back on their announced plans to scale up production? They are unsure of the market and do not want to end up like Tesla with a lot of vehicles that they cannot sell.
The EV pullback: Why these 5 automakers are retreating from big plans | Trellis
The EV mania of the past few years is meeting a new reality of stubbornly sluggish consumer demand. As a result, automakers are paring back their grand ambitions.
Your link is also extremely misleading. It talks about a bunch of brands who made outlandish claims like "we're ONLY selling EVs come 2030" and how they've now walked those absurd statements back. Every brand in there is actively selling the cars, expanding their portfolios of EVs, and not a single one has any plan to stop producing them altogether or really even "scale back" as you imply. These are all signs of increased dedication into more R&D for future products, not a cancellation of the entire market.
I'm telling you you're against EVs, because you said so yourself:
This statement right here is an implication to stop producing EVs. You clearly stated, verbatim, that "they are not for a majority of people". That means its a product that shouldn't be sold from a business perspective, right? Can't make money on that small of sales. That's you saying they don't justify existing.
People want to make it about the environment (caring or aggressively not caring) but really it's price, convenience and performance.
The price thing is wildly different depending on where you live...and I think it's the MAIN factor for most. There are a ton of Nissan Leafs around me and I'm certain it's because of our high gas prices, it would be a very impractical car in Iowa. I see some Nissan Leafs that are getting pretty old still hanging on, it's effectively free to fuel compared to a gas car. In this area electric fuel at home is nowhere near gas prices. These are cars that only have 70-170 miles of range and yet people have gotten great value out of them on fuel alone.
Performance depends on what you value personally. EVs are undeniably zippy and smoother driving but there are other areas that matter to people.
Convenience is the one where I think a lot of people won't know until they actually own an EV.
Again, I have nothing against EV, why do you keep saying I do, they are just not for everyone. If I was still working, and not retired, I would like at purchasing an EV as my drive to work vehicle. But you know what I do not have to do driving my hybrid or a gas vehicle, I do not have to plan and search out where a charging station is, there are gas stations everywhere, that is not true about charging stations, nor will be in true now that Trump has cut those funds.
If EVs were the future than why are auto companies cutting back on their announced plans to scale up production? They are unsure of the market and do not want to end up like Tesla with a lot of vehicles that they cannot sell.
The EV pullback: Why these 5 automakers are retreating from big plans | Trellis
The EV mania of the past few years is meeting a new reality of stubbornly sluggish consumer demand. As a result, automakers are paring back their grand ambitions.
I think the problem people have is you keep coming back to "they'll never be popular unless people can fuel in 5 minutes".
Most EV owners feel like it takes them between 2 and 3 seconds to fuel up, they think driving to a gas station and fueling up for 5 minutes is like rewinding a VHS and driving it back to Blockbuster.
There is a new tech in China that can charge an EV in 5 minutes, but I don't think it will take that for the growth to continue because I'm already seeing adoption all the time where I live and we don't have that.
Damn people now we are back to the beginning of this thread where a few are b*tching about others personal choices.
I think EVs greatest gains are going to be in fleet deliveries. Amazon UPS, USPS, FedEx relatively static routes in town with basically known mileage and back to the depot to recharge and reload every night.
I think EVs greatest gains are going to be in fleet deliveries. Amazon UPS, USPS, FedEx relatively static routes in town with basically known mileage and back to the depot to recharge and reload every night.
Plenty of people in the DM Metro and elsewhere, dropping 6 figures on a pick up from the looks of things when I drive through the area.
BEVs have the highest loyalty of any powertrain, and it's not really close. So in summary, people that buy them love them. You'll notice most of the issues people have with them are brought up by people that have never owned one.
