When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

When will you buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

  • Already Own One

    Votes: 55 6.7%
  • In the next year

    Votes: 8 1.0%
  • Between 1-5 years

    Votes: 145 17.7%
  • 6-10 years

    Votes: 185 22.6%
  • 10+ years or never

    Votes: 425 52.0%

  • Total voters
    818

HFCS

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You do know that the majority of electricity is from LNG. If spurring oil companies is at the top of your list, you’re pretty much arranging deck chairs.

Depends where you live but nationally all fossil fuels are only 60%. I’m easily majority renewable where I live and we’ve even hit days it got to 100%. I think most people know that nowhere is 100% wind/solar all the time yet.
 
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MeowingCows

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Toyota is ramping up their hybrid production, in 2025 they will no longer offer a gas version of the Camry, nor the Sienna Van. I have been hearing that they are also thinking about moving away from the gas version of their popular Grand Highlander and only offer it as a hybrid. They are scaling back their plans to build EV's, down from a planned 1.5 million units to 1.0 million units to meet the demand for hybrids. Volvo and Ford are also scaling back future plans for EV vehicles.
Good, they need to keep pumping hybrids. That's their space, and EVs aren't, because Toyota EVs so far have been horrendous products. That said, they have been dumping a ton of money into battery research on the side, so I'll wait longer to pass further judgment. They're invested, just not committed yet, because that's what Toyota has always been forever. They cannot be any reference point of anything remotely cutting-edge. It's simply not what they do and never been what they've done. Millions of cars being made as BEVs is still a massive number that cannot be ignored, the future of it is here. A lot of rebalancing is occurring among brands to situate and differentiate each other's products.

Ford overextended needs right now and are right-sizing, but still committed. GM also fell into that category for a bit, but now they've swung back to converting into more EV options again. Volvo... frankly, I just don't care about, since they are a small, super-niche player in the auto market. Toyota is adding more hybrids. Honda wants to add more hybrids and EVs. Mazda (another small player) is adding more hybrids slowly. Subaru is adding more hybrids and EVs. Stellantis brands stuck out too long in going ICE-only and now the EV products they have are largely rushed trash. VW was adding more at one time, then swung back away, and now seems to be in limbo with their bigger brands. Most of these not named Toyota have minimal hybrids in play, so it's good to see this finally expanding the way it should have long ago.
 

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Depends where you live but nationally all fossil fuels are only 60%. I’m easily majority renewable where I live and we’ve even hit days it got to 100%. I think most people know that nowhere is 100% wind/solar all the time yet.
Iowa last year got 60% of our electrical needs from solar and wind, of course we are now cutting back on those fundings for the future along with the tax breaks to get them rolling. Saw a report yesterday that stated electrical costs in Iowa would rise on average of $350 per home because of these policies.
 

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Iowa last year got 60% of our electrical needs from solar and wind, of course we are now cutting back on those fundings for the future along with the tax breaks to get them rolling. Saw a report yesterday that stated electrical costs in Iowa would rise on average of $350 per home because of these policies.
Gotta save the birds and the views in this state, nothing else matters!
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Yeah, this is my problem. That study was for new to two years old, and it’s just says it will last longer than expected. Not sure where the headline came from since it never really gave any firm data in the article.

What are the warranties on the batteries?
8 years/100,000 miles on the batteries
 
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Last night I test drive the EV Subaru Solterra. The dealership is offering huge incentives to move the car. We also talked about a hybrid Forrester and the dealer said no deals on the hybrid Forrester because they can't keep them on the lot. He said that was true for a lot of manufacturers (Ford told me they cannot keep hybrid Mavericks on the lot either).

If you want my opinion I think what happened is manufacturers thought there would be a massive shift to EVs, but that hasn't been the case so they scaled back production. There is steady and increasing demand but not a large abandoning of ICE vehicles thus a pull-back. What seems to be happening now is now that we are getting more and more hybrid options people are opting for the hybrids, and I see a future where some hybrid owners will eventually shift to a plug-in hybrids and some will shift to a full EVs after their initial hybrid. That initial hybrid may be the hook to get them to begin converting.
It almost feels like the switch from film cameras (gas) to digital cameras (hybrids) to smartphone cameras (EV).

Many people aren't ready to go to the EV for various concerns (real or imagined) but the hybrid is a middle step and feels "safer". And when you are spending $30-60k, you don't want to make a mistake so you go with safe.

I kinda want an EV (and it would be very practical for my needs) but the gf thinks they aren't there yet in terms of tech and charging options, but fully in support of a hybrid. I think that sort of encapsulates the whole consumer mindset at this time..
 

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Not exactly sure.
Depends where you live but nationally all fossil fuels are only 60%. I’m easily majority renewable where I live and we’ve even hit days it got to 100%. I think most people know that nowhere is 100% wind/solar all the time yet.
It’s always tough to break apart the individual data. In NC Iowa, Florida P and L put up hundreds of turbines. This counted towards their energy production even though the power was used locally or went to MSP or Chicago.
 

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It almost feels like the switch from film cameras (gas) to digital cameras (hybrids) to smartphone cameras (EV).

Many people aren't ready to go to the EV for various concerns (real or imagined) but the hybrid is a middle step and feels "safer". And when you are spending $30-60k, you don't want to make a mistake so you go with safe.

I kinda want an EV (and it would be very practical for my needs) but the gf thinks they aren't there yet in terms of tech and charging options, but fully in support of a hybrid. I think that sort of encapsulates the whole consumer mindset at this time..
That's a good analogy. TV is another example. There are a lot of people that are still using Directv or Cable instead of streaming services. I would never go back to Directv after having YTTV, but the transition was a little frightening, and this wasn't a $40k+ purchase.

I think it also makes a big difference where you live. If you live in California, and the most sold car is a Tesla, it takes some of that anxiety away. If you live in BFE Missouri, and you never see them or know anyone with them, it's a little scary. In addition, a lot of the options don't have local dealers, which is a negative for some people.
 

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Toyota is ramping up their hybrid production, in 2025 they will no longer offer a gas version of the Camry, nor the Sienna Van. I have been hearing that they are also thinking about moving away from the gas version of their popular Grand Highlander and only offer it as a hybrid. They are scaling back their plans to build EV's, down from a planned 1.5 million units to 1.0 million units to meet the demand for hybrids. Volvo and Ford are also scaling back future plans for EV vehicles.
Toyota is the king of the hybrid powertrain, they have a great product there.

I think their strategy is to push that hybrid advantage for as long as they can, because there will be a strong market for hybrids for a while. Then roll out their magic solid-state batteries in 10 years time, and leapfrog everyone else with traditional batteries.
 
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Toyota is the king of the hybrid powertrain, they have a great product there.

I think their strategy is to push that hybrid advantage for as long as they can, because there will be a strong market for hybrids for a while. Then roll out their magic solid-state batteries in 10 years time, and leapfrog everyone else with traditional batteries.
That's always been what they do best -- let someone else invent something, wait for the early adopters to catch on, then take it in themselves and perfect it later down the road to steal the others' sales. That's their entire market strategy and it definitely works.
 
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Not exactly sure.
Iowa last year got 60% of our electrical needs from solar and wind, of course we are now cutting back on those fundings for the future along with the tax breaks to get them rolling. Saw a report yesterday that stated electrical costs in Iowa would rise on average of $350 per home because of these policies.
Ever dealt with the turbine folks? One time is enough for most.
 
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It almost feels like the switch from film cameras (gas) to digital cameras (hybrids) to smartphone cameras (EV).

Many people aren't ready to go to the EV for various concerns (real or imagined) but the hybrid is a middle step and feels "safer". And when you are spending $30-60k, you don't want to make a mistake so you go with safe.

I kinda want an EV (and it would be very practical for my needs) but the gf thinks they aren't there yet in terms of tech and charging options, but fully in support of a hybrid. I think that sort of encapsulates the whole consumer mindset at this time..

Phev is dramatically better than a regular hybrid for city driving, especially in areas with high gas price. If you’re a city driver under 40 miles a day you can basically have an EV 350 days a year and a gas hybrid the 15 days a year road tripping.

For someone who mostly does highway miles I’m not sure hybrid vs phev matters as much.

I once went almost 4 months on a tank of gas with my phev and we drove it every day. If you work from home in a city and can get a second or third charge in same day you can do a ton of electric driving with one.

Only filling up that phev like 10-12 times a year is what made me realize going to the gas station is a hassle.
 

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He literally said if he was still working, he would likely have one.

You are leading a public lynching like he's a "rolling coal" idiot, against a guy who is basically just pointing out the less EV-friendly missions and his personal concerns.
Pointing out the personal concerns once, twice or even five times is "just pointing out personal concerns." What he is doing is a crusade and he is asking for all of the push back he is getting.
 
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Toyota is the king of the hybrid powertrain, they have a great product there.

I think their strategy is to push that hybrid advantage for as long as they can, because there will be a strong market for hybrids for a while. Then roll out their magic solid-state batteries in 10 years time, and leapfrog everyone else with traditional batteries.

China will already own the market in 10 years, we are just handing the future of transportation over to them.
 
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That's always been what they do best -- let someone else invent something, wait for the early adopters to catch on, then take it in themselves and perfect it later down the road to steal the others' sales. That's their entire market strategy and it definitely works.

I had a Diamond Rio portable MP3 player years before an iPod existed. I don’t see the Diamond Rio tech giant on the NYSE.
 

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Do me a favor will you, wife and I are planning on driving down to Miami on Friday, taking our daughter and 2 grandchildren with us. What would be the best EV to rent to make this journey on Friday, with enough room for the 5 of us plus room for suitcases. Also could you do me a favor and map out where I can find the quick charging stations along the way, Ames, St. Louis, Nashville, Atlanta and then Miami.

Thanks in advance.
I think I saw you were from Centerville.


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Toyota is ramping up their hybrid production, in 2025 they will no longer offer a gas version of the Camry, nor the Sienna Van. I have been hearing that they are also thinking about moving away from the gas version of their popular Grand Highlander and only offer it as a hybrid. They are scaling back their plans to build EV's, down from a planned 1.5 million units to 1.0 million units to meet the demand for hybrids. Volvo and Ford are also scaling back future plans for EV vehicles.

Toyota sold 140k EV’s in 2024. If they are building a million that’s a massive increase.