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BMI is a stupid measurement, I have lost 50 lbs since thanksgiving last year, and at my goal weight and I am still listed as overweight. 6 foot 190 being overweight is nuts. I would have to saw off a leg to be in the normal category.
You could keep the leg and just lose 6 pounds too, BMI seems like a fine guideline for the majority of people.
 
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Think my BMI is 26 or so these days... officially a fatty, literally a bowling ball.

Speaking of, that reminds me, time for another MacDon's run.
 
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BMI is a stupid measurement, I have lost 50 lbs since thanksgiving last year, and at my goal weight and I am still listed as overweight. 6 foot 190 being overweight is nuts. I would have to saw off a leg to be in the normal category.
It’s only 5 pounds till a “healthy” weight so you must have a very tiny leg. Also due to the general population we now have a very skewed idea of what healthy looks like.

BMI is fine unless you do a lot of strength training or have a very outside the norm body type. Even then a BMI in your range isn’t anything to really worry about.
 

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That’s also due to the fact that identical twins are not identical by the time they conduct these studies and environmental factors play a role as well as lifestyle before studies.

3,500 is pretty average but the thing that people forget is that as you lose weight your metabolism changes and will slow. The more you cut the more diet/exercises change to keep you at that 3,500 number. It’s the reason why as far as exercise goes strength training is far superior to cardio
This. Lifting is beyond superior. Many people don't realize that if you're just doing cardio, it stops burning calories when you're done. Lifting creates calorie burning into the night. The headaches that I run into is the lack of knowledge with lifting and form. This weekend I was at the gym and bit my tongue because this older gentlemen was short-changing himself because of terrible form and short quick (lack of range) technique.

I will say there are more effective ways of cardio like rowing, cranking the elevation on a treadmill to 7%+ and getting into zone two with nasal breathing only, sprints, or the stairstep machine. Plastering yourself on a bike for 30-45 min only goes so far in terms of effect on the body. If that's all a person does, then don't expect great results.
 

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This. Lifting is beyond superior. Many people don't realize that if you're just doing cardio, it stops burning calories when you're done. Lifting creates calorie burning into the night. The headaches that I run into is the lack of knowledge with lifting and form. This weekend I was at the gym and bit my tongue because this older gentlemen was short-changing himself because of terrible form and short quick (lack of range) technique.

I will say there are more effective ways of cardio like rowing, cranking the elevation on a treadmill to 7%+ and getting into zone two with nasal breathing only, sprints, or the stairstep machine. Plastering yourself on a bike for 30-45 min only goes so far in terms of effect on the body. If that's all a person does, then don't expect great results.

In my experience it's a cycle/collection of all to get best results.

If I have fitness goals like running or biking a certain distance, eating lean can help to lessen the load on the joints so it's good motivation.

Aside from weight loss, even walking can be a great thing to help or avoid back/joint issues.
 

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In my experience it's a cycle/collection of all to get best results.

If I have fitness goals like running or biking a certain distance, eating lean can help to lessen the load on the joints so it's good motivation.

Aside from weight loss, even walking can be a great thing to help or avoid back/joint issues.

Lifting is the best thing for metabolism - both with burning calories after, as well as the additional muscle mass, which = more calories required.

I’ve had to train myself to not stuff my face after a lifting session - cranks the appetite up.

At the same time, cardio is by no means useless. Intense cardio still generates a calorie deficit, plus helps with joints as you said. And the protective effect against cardiovascular disease can’t be scoffed at.
 
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When I was in college I weighed about 200 to 210. I lifted several times a week and played a lot of pick up basketball. Went to the doctor and their chart said I was "obese". 6'3 210 is obese?

If you’re an athlete those charts are meaningless. I can’t imagine what I would look like in the high 140’s-low 150’s or the “healthy” range for my height. I would look like a starving Ethiopian.
 

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In my experience it's a cycle/collection of all to get best results.

If I have fitness goals like running or biking a certain distance, eating lean can help to lessen the load on the joints so it's good motivation.

Aside from weight loss, even walking can be a great thing to help or avoid back/joint issues.
Correct. That's generally why I don't get "too much into a routine" per se. I lift hard probably once per week. I do bands 1-2x/ week. Stretch everyday. I mix in explosive movements too, sprinting, walking on steep incline, rowing, jump rope, light biking at night with the family, and flexible movements to help with the joints/tendons. I try to also incorporate some sauna and red light therapy for recovery. Always room for improvement, but I know as I age movement is important, but make it mimic the everyday movement.

My appetite and metabolism has sped up. But, it's still tough to counter the aches and pains of getting older. I literally threw my back out by having my son on my right shoulder and tossing him a certain way that strained my back. We "wrestle" all the time, but this time I tossed him slightly different. Then my stubbornness to slow down and allow healing has delayed my back getting better.
 

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This. Lifting is beyond superior. Many people don't realize that if you're just doing cardio, it stops burning calories when you're done. Lifting creates calorie burning into the night. The headaches that I run into is the lack of knowledge with lifting and form. This weekend I was at the gym and bit my tongue because this older gentlemen was short-changing himself because of terrible form and short quick (lack of range) technique.

I will say there are more effective ways of cardio like rowing, cranking the elevation on a treadmill to 7%+ and getting into zone two with nasal breathing only, sprints, or the stairstep machine. Plastering yourself on a bike for 30-45 min only goes so far in terms of effect on the body. If that's all a person does, then don't expect great results.

I wear a weighted vest for any cardio I do. I wear that thing when I mow the lawn even. Great investment that you just forget about once you get in to the routine.
 
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Lifting is the best thing for metabolism - both with burning calories after, as well as the additional muscle mass, which = more calories required.

I’ve had to train myself to not stuff my face after a lifting session - cranks the appetite up.

At the same time, cardio is by no means useless. Intense cardio still generates a calorie deficit, plus helps with joints as you said. And the protective effect against cardiovascular disease can’t be scoffed at.

Yeah I feel things burning off much more with lifting.

I have to drink water after to fill up so I also don't eat.
 
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The concept is pretty simple. Actually having the time, energy and resources to do it is very hard

Edit: I should add reasonable expectations too. Chris Evans as Captain America or Chris Hemsworth as Thor isn't an attainable or sustainable physique for people. And if people are getting into fitness and nutrition for solely that reason they will burn out
Can almost guarantee they're on testosterone too.
 

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This. Lifting is beyond superior. Many people don't realize that if you're just doing cardio, it stops burning calories when you're done. Lifting creates calorie burning into the night. The headaches that I run into is the lack of knowledge with lifting and form. This weekend I was at the gym and bit my tongue because this older gentlemen was short-changing himself because of terrible form and short quick (lack of range) technique.

I will say there are more effective ways of cardio like rowing, cranking the elevation on a treadmill to 7%+ and getting into zone two with nasal breathing only, sprints, or the stairstep machine. Plastering yourself on a bike for 30-45 min only goes so far in terms of effect on the body. If that's all a person does, then don't expect great results.
Excessive post oxygen consumption occurs with cardio as well. Either way it's such a small percentage of the total caloric burn that it's negligible. Deficits should be implemented by diet, but cardio burns more calories than strength training, full stop.
 

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and steroids, and any number of other drugs that are out there that target fat loss/muscle building (particularly abdominal fat) whether prescribed or out there on the gray market.
Well, its also their job to be fit. A famous actor is going to have time and resources devoted to being in shape the average person doesn't have. If I had a personal trainer and nutritionist I could look like an Adonis too.
 

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and steroids, and any number of other drugs that are out there that target fat loss/muscle building (particularly abdominal fat) whether prescribed or out there on the gray market.
While this can certainly be the case for many actors in those roles Evans and Hemsworth were pretty much always in extremely good shape. Hemsworth for sure is natural, he has a whole side business on fitness as he just loves working out and has the genetics to see pretty incredible results.

The amount of specialists they have to make sure everything is optimized is rather insane. You probably see more people on some form of gear at your local gym then you see in a lot of movies as they don’t have a specialist
 

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While this can certainly be the case for many actors in those roles Evans and Hemsworth were pretty much always in extremely good shape. Hemsworth for sure is natural, he has a whole side business on fitness as he just loves working out and has the genetics to see pretty incredible results.

The amount of specialists they have to make sure everything is optimized is rather insane. You probably see more people on some form of gear at your local gym then you see in a lot of movies as they don’t have a specialist

What are your thoughts on L-Carnatine? Asking for a friend lol.
 

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While this can certainly be the case for many actors in those roles Evans and Hemsworth were pretty much always in extremely good shape. Hemsworth for sure is natural, he has a whole side business on fitness as he just loves working out and has the genetics to see pretty incredible results.

The amount of specialists they have to make sure everything is optimized is rather insane. You probably see more people on some form of gear at your local gym then you see in a lot of movies as they don’t have a specialist

That's fair. Though Hemsworth does the dehydration routine before scenes, it has been reported, which enhances it to a degree.

Someone like Kumail Nanjani though, the speed with which he saw that change I have a hard time believing there wasn't some gear involved.
 

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What are your thoughts on L-Carnatine? Asking for a friend lol.
As long as you’re not in blood thinners and have no thyroid problems you’re fine. Like most supplements it’s not something you need as it’s an amino acid found in food but if you want to take it or if it’s in something else it’s fine.

Most likely you’re just going to have more expensive urine
 
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