*** Official #23 Tennessee vs #6 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[loyalsons4evertrue]

He has a point. Steve Prohm only lost 1 Sweet Sixteen game.

Steve Prohm also went .500 in Big 12 play and lost to Ohio State in the 1st round of the tournament in the 2018-19 season with a really talented roster that TJ would've probably gotten to the 2nd weekend......Steve is also responsible for the worst season in school history.

 

[fcclone]

And while those moments were great, their team being in the Elite 8 with a less talented roster than ours is a hard pill to swallow.

The harsh reality for college basketball is that what you do in the NCAA tournament matters....and Sweet 16's are great....but we've hit this same wall repeatedly and we seem to not be able to break through it....I think TJ eventually will but I'm kind of at the point where I need to see it to believe it.

Now before anyone calls me out, no I am not advocating for a HC change....love TJ and what he's done for our program.

Okay. So they advanced further this year. Haven’t looked it up but I don’t think they have advanced as far as us since Prohm.

 

[fcclone]

Steve Prohm also went .500 in Big 12 play and lost to Ohio State in the 1st round of the tournament in the 2018-19 season with a really talented roster that TJ would've probably gotten to the 2nd weekend......Steve is also responsible for the worst season in school history.

I think he was joking since Prohm only got us to that one sweet sixteen.

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

I think that is how the Hawks feel. Since we indeed beat them in every major sport.

Them going further than us though is something they will never let us forget and that really freakin sucks. We could always kind of claim to be the kings of college basketball in our state and while we did still beat them, people remember what you do in March far more than in December

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

I think he was joking since Prohm only got us to that one sweet sixteen.

Hard to know lol.....there were A LOT of Prohm defenders here at one point.

 

[12191987]

I think he was joking since Prohm only got us to that one sweet sixteen.

You could make the argument he didn’t even get ISU to that one Sweet Sixteen…Hoiberg’s team did.

 

[Taz4President]

Steve Prohm also went .500 in Big 12 play and lost to Ohio State in the 1st round of the tournament in the 2018-19 season with a really talented roster that TJ would've probably gotten to the 2nd weekend......Steve is also responsible for the worst season in school history.

Pretty sure he was being very, very sarcastic.

 

[Skyh13]

They had a great senior PG in Lipsey, Milan, and a pretty good supporting cast. They should have been able to win this game instead of getting beat handily. I'm not sure they would have won without Jefferson.

Playing like that, they probably lose with Jefferson. But hard to say how exactly it would have gone.

As is, without Jefferson, ISU doesn't have a single NBA player in their rotation. And if I'm brutally honest, I think Jefferson is probably borderline NBA. I hesitate to call anyone "great", despite the objectively successful year.

Tennessee turned out to be a bad matchup. ISU had to make shots and just didn't. Usually the one saving grace when the team is missing shots was stealing extra possessions through turnovers, but that advantage was entirely negated by losing the rebounding battle by 20+. Add in this being one of the worst D1 free throw shooting teams I've ever seen, and you get the result.

 

[fcclone]

Them going further than us though is something they will never let us forget and that really freakin sucks. We could always kind of claim to be the kings of college basketball in our state and while we did still beat them, people remember what you do in March far more than in December

Ehhh, that is what I kind of thought the last couple years. And if you remember, the Hawks didn’t even make the tournament the last two years. Fans have short memories.

 

[fcclone]

Playing like that, they probably lose with Jefferson. But hard to say how exactly it would have gone.

As is, without Jefferson, ISU doesn't have a single NBA player in their rotation. And if I'm brutally honest, I think Jefferson is probably borderline NBA. I hesitate to call anyone "great", despite the objectively successful year.

Tennessee turned out to be a bad matchup. ISU had to make shots and just didn't. Usually the one saving grace when the team is missing shots was stealing extra possessions through turnovers, but that advantage was entirely negated by losing the rebounding battle by 20+. Add in this being one of the worst D1 free throw shooting teams I've ever seen, and you get the result.

Of course it was a bad matchup when your all American is sitting on the bench.

 

[not-the-manager]

Them going further than us though is something they will never let us forget and that really freakin sucks. We could always kind of claim to be the kings of college basketball in our state and while we did still beat them, people remember what you do in March far more than in December

Eh, I would never let anyone within earshot make the claim that Iowa basketball has surpassed Iowa State without pushing back, but I don’t live there so luckily don’t even have to see hoks most of the time. I fully understand their keyboard warriors will hold onto this as a “scoreboard,” but one run in a tournament that’s still pretty unpredictable does not a resume make. At least not if it’s not a Final Four. If McCollum stays there another decade he’ll undoubtedly have teams way more talented than this season’s that won’t make it as far. That’s how it goes. Iowa State not getting over the hump is a separate discussion. But there are plenty of teams whose tournament finishes vary. Heck, even storied UConn either wins the whole thing or loses in the first weekend

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

Playing like that, they probably lose with Jefferson. But hard to say how exactly it would have gone.

As is, without Jefferson, ISU doesn't have a single NBA player in their rotation. And if I'm brutally honest, I think Jefferson is probably borderline NBA. I hesitate to call anyone "great", despite the objectively successful year.

Tennessee turned out to be a bad matchup. ISU had to make shots and just didn't. Usually the one saving grace when the team is missing shots was stealing extra possessions through turnovers, but that advantage was entirely negated by losing the rebounding battle by 20+. Add in this being one of the worst D1 free throw shooting teams I've ever seen, and you get the result.

Pretty much everyone was hoping we had Virginia instead

 

[clone37]

ISU basketball is such a long season of emotions every year in recent memory. The reason there are so many emotions is because we have been good almost every season for the last 15 years…people care, we are relevant.

Coming into the season I honestly had tempered expectations and thought we would get a 9 or 10 seed in the tourney and hopefully advance 1 round. We had three good experienced players, but a small NIL budget and a bunch of under the radar players that not many other teams wanted. I thought we would struggle outside of our big 3, or if God forbid, one of the big 3 went down. I thought we would struggle against talented and deep teams.

TJ really continues to run an excellent and consistent program. Not many coaches out there would have turned this team into a 29 win, 2 seed, Sweet 16 team. If you put his last 5 rosters out there and told any coach in the country to try and take 3 to the Sweet 16, probably only 2% would succeed.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Tonight came down to the fact that they were just bigger and longer than us. That’s it. We went from a 6’8 3 to Heise at 6’3 or whatever he is. We had to play small ball against a really long team.

It could've been overcome. Iowa was wildly undersized vs Florida and didn't back down or use it as an excuse.

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

It could've been overcome. Iowa was wildly undersized vs Florida and didn't back down or use it as an excuse.

Iowa also shot lights out and has all tourney

 

[DeepCCoug]

Appreciate your posts tonight, @DeepCCoug. Thankful for your perspective.

Thanks. I really admire Coach Otzelberger and the way he coaches basketball. He's not just trying to make better basketball players, although he does that very well. He's trying, and succeeding admirably, at making better MEN of his players. That is what is really important! No one is going to leave his program without having learned how to work incredibly hard, respect the rules, sacrifice for something bigger than themselves, win and lose with grace and equanimity, and know they can do more than they ever thought possible they could. Those are invaluable gifts for a young man.

The way ISU teams play and the extraordinary sportsmanship they show on and off the field/court is one of the reasons I am so grateful BYU is in the same conference. You have a lot of respect from the rest of the Big XII schools and you most certainly deserve it. I am sure Coach Otzelberger would not be at your school if you WEREN'T doing things right! GO CLONES!

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

 

[Fishhead]

This honestly....Barnes has now made 3 consecutive Elite 8's

It wasn’t that hard to figure out. Without no one inside capable of creating their own shot or mismatches against a team with meatheads, they could load up on the perimeter. Nothing was open basically all night. Bateman had no solid looks either and he is our second best three point shooter

 

[rosshm16]

Win some lose some. When your best player isn't playing, going to lose more often than not. Some day we will catch a break, we are certainly due.

Bunch of quitters/whiners in this thread. Buck up, be a Cyclone, we've got the best coach in the country, we will get'em next year! KU's down and is going to stay down (basketball is harder when everyone is paying their players full salaries, their HoF coach is in his career twilight), Houston's losing a ton of guys, their HoF coach is also in his career twilight, Arizona might lose their coach...I like where we're at.

 

[Clonefan32]

Just a cruddy break with Jefferson. Add to that the concern all year with this team was the offensive lulls and that’s what really got us tonight. Have to find a way to find a few more bucket getters next year.