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[BCClone]

You also mentioned that you put in extra time via paid PT jobs or work on your own home. Those generate a direct return to you. That's not the same as putting in extra time on a salaried job. Sure, if someone *likes* doing those things, that's fine. But putting in extra hours thinking it proves something or earns some invisible badge of honor - that's a choice.

If I have extra time, it's not going to my salaried role. It's going to advocacy, family, hobbies, sleep - however else I want to spend my time.

Some of those PT jobs don't pull a return. I haven't always turned in my hours if I feel it wasn't really a hit. Answering a few calls while driving doesn't really bother me, so turning in 30 minutes of time doesn't really phase me and many times I just don't feel like the hassle of the paper work for 20 bucks.

Many people seem to be saying they know how to better spend that person's time than they do. If you want to work from home and they don't, why care? If they want to spend more time in the office and you want to volunteer, why care?

 

[BCClone]

You mean you don't get enjoyment or, using the economic term, utility from posting on CycloneFanatic!?

Let me tell you, I would be on the streets if it wasn't for what I make from this joint.

 

[Rabbuk]

Some of those PT jobs don't pull a return. I haven't always turned in my hours if I feel it wasn't really a hit. Answering a few calls while driving doesn't really bother me, so turning in 30 minutes of time doesn't really phase me and many times I just don't feel like the hassle of the paper work for 20 bucks.

Many people seem to be saying they know how to better spend that person's time than they do. If you want to work from home and they don't, why care? If they want to spend more time in the office and you want to volunteer, why care?

Well I would say people are mostly complaining about their managers who aren't letting them use their autonomy or are expecting unpaid labor. If some idiot wants to do unpaid labor for the corporation I work for that's fine, I'm just not.

 

[cowgirl836]

Some of those PT jobs don't pull a return. I haven't always turned in my hours if I feel it wasn't really a hit. Answering a few calls while driving doesn't really bother me, so turning in 30 minutes of time doesn't really phase me and many times I just don't feel like the hassle of the paper work for 20 bucks.

Many people seem to be saying they know how to better spend that person's time than they do. If you want to work from home and they don't, why care? If they want to spend more time in the office and you want to volunteer, why care?

You're going to have to find where I've ever said this. My exact point is that people should be able to work where is best for them and these forced RTOs remove that autonomy. The whole argument of this thread is whether people should be able to work in an enviroment most suited to them or whether others get to decide that for them.

There's a lot of toxic corporate culture that encourages people to give their time for free to corporations. People who brag about 60 hour work weeks. Not taking a sick day. Being back at work 3 days after their wife gave birth. I don't personally think those are things for people to brag about, but if it brings them fulfillment, more power to them. But I reject the idea that it should be the norm or the expectation - which is definitely the tenor of some here and many in corporate power.

 

[cyputz]

I'd be invoicing for consulting work. My phone doesn't even work if I'm on a day off or pto.

I had to call my director (on PTO) for a price project for large company. It was above my level, and required rapid approval, due to product shipment timeline. Well, she reminded me she does not take calls on PTO, she was well aware of timeline. She hung up. Tried our VP in Italy - Out of Office for 3 weeks). Well, I approved the project, she scolded me VP praised me.
So I am on vacation, she calls and requires information, I told her I am following your petty rules. And told her if she calls again she will hear gurgling on the phone. She calls that afternoon - I answer and throw company phone off pontoon.
When I returned I thought my first visit would be HR. Sitting on my desk was a IT request for new phone. Go down to get phone and they are laughing their ass off, I made their secret hall of fame.
Later, I moved on from that position.
Due to Hall of Fame status - when retired, IT updated my iPhone to the latest model and plan and charged it to their dept. Totally taboo, but I was leaving.
Three years later, I get a call from an intern, they are ending my phone number. Oh well.

 

[KnappShack]

my point is all these people that go into the office want some sort of war hero award for going in and half of them waste more time in the office on extended lunches, chit chat, smoke breaks and live and die by the clock. Half the people that complain are the ones that have a job that actually requires being there or has ROI with what your stating.

To answer your part about face to face interaction:
the building I am assigned to go into the office to has ~1,000 people that go there.
I have nothing to do with any of them.

My small team of 10 is located in DC, Maryland, NC, CO, AZ, FL, TN, MN, VA, TX.
If/when I am required to go back into the office (sounds like my company is going to be soon), I am driving to my assigned office, taking Teams calls with my team around the country and customers around the world.

So maybe there isn't a one size fits all approach is all i was getting at.

And yes...... I raised 3 kids commuting, dropping off at daycare, and learned how to put pants on, etc, so I get how that works, thanks.

I would drink my salary in company provided coffee and I wouldn't flush the goddam toilet....

Just to fight the power

 

[MJ29]

I personally like being in the office. I'm glad I have some flexibility for maintenance appointments and snow days or sick kid days, but I could not work from home 100 percent of the time. It just wouldn't be good for my mental health. But I fully understand that there are people who prefer working from home and actually thrive. That's why I oppose a one size fits all mentality. Everyone has different work styles and productivity strengths. A good manager should be able to manage people regardless of where they fall.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Our VP said that we dont have flex time and are expected to be here 8-5. We are salary and do work outside of hours now and then. The salary extra hours thing was fine (IT related stuff) until they said "no flex time". F that noise. A lot of IT is thankless enough, but being on call and getting extra hours with no flex is ******* dumb. We take our bites where we can now. Leave a smidge early, take a bit longer lunch etc. At this point as long as we arent harming our coworkers, we self govern appropriately. Its clear management is a bit out of touch in this arena.

Man, I worked for a clock watcher and I can't imagine going back to that. I'm a friggin professional, I get my Sh!t done. I don't need to be here 8-5.

 

[CloniesForLife]

Work mode conversations are funny because it so highly dependent on the type of work you are doing. It's why blanket policies are stupid. In office work and meetings are highly valuable in certain situations but not in others.

 

[KnappShack]

Work mode conversations are funny because it so highly dependent on the type of work you are doing. It's why blanket policies are stupid. In office work and meetings are highly valuable in certain situations but not in others.

I haven't seen a guy cry after a meeting in quite some time.

I guess that was a positive

 

[bos]

Man, I worked for a clock watcher and I can't imagine going back to that. I'm a friggin professional, I get my Sh!t done. I don't need to be here 8-5.

They arent THAT into the clock, but it was a weird warning. Unflattering for sure. I get my work done and then some, Im also 46, not a child. I might care a little bit less than the 20-somethings with a lot more runway.

Does crack me up, the things that used to piss me off when I was younger just kind of annoy me now. Easier to brush off when I am getting closer to not "needing" the job and more just floating through it till I can officially cut ties. Would love a work from home gig. Im a much more productive worker when left alone.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

Last week we were told we could work remote all next week. They just sent out communication that we now have to meet the 3 day in office standard, that some BS.

 

[carvers4math]

You're going to have to find where I've ever said this. My exact point is that people should be able to work where is best for them and these forced RTOs remove that autonomy. The whole argument of this thread is whether people should be able to work in an enviroment most suited to them or whether others get to decide that for them.

There's a lot of toxic corporate culture that encourages people to give their time for free to corporations. People who brag about 60 hour work weeks. Not taking a sick day. Being back at work 3 days after their wife gave birth. I don't personally think those are things for people to brag about, but if it brings them fulfillment, more power to them. But I reject the idea that it should be the norm or the expectation - which is definitely the tenor of some here and many in corporate power.

My last employer gave me the whole Friday off when I had a miscarriage and a D&C, on condition I come in on Saturday and write up some last minute project that had to be done and edited by Monday. I asked why the guy who did the exact same job as me couldn’t do it, and the answer was he wouldn’t do a very good job. At least they didn’t expect me to do it while anesthetized although that would probably still have been better than my co-worker.

 

[cowgirl836]

Last week we were told we could work remote all next week. They just sent out communication that we now have to meet the 3 day in office standard, that some BS.

Meaning in office all 3 of the work days. Petty little power move to keep employees from getting uppity.

 

[CycloneDaddy]

Meaning in office all 3 of the work days. Petty little power move to keep employees from getting uppity.

PTO / Holiday counts as in office so if you didnt take PTO next week you have to come in 2 days. I would have loved to been on that call when they told our leader (over 2000 reports) that she had to send out the retraction email.

I will just take a half day PTO on Wednesday so I dont have to go into the office next week (already had Friday off).

 

[MJ29]

Another corporation issuing return to office orders ...

Target's commercial employees set to return to the office three days a week

Target's commercial unit employees are being asked to return to the office at least three days a week.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[KnappShack]

I've been on a one day per week return

Loved the almost 3 hour commute due to "police activity"

I felt very energized and ready to get after it.