2/16/15 AP Poll Ranking?

[HoibergIsMyHero]

And I'm definitely not insecure about UNI being ranked higher, I just think it's incredibly dumb.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Oh my God. Since you seem to be obsessed lately with what I've posted about UNI vs. ISU I challenge to find one single post where I've challenged any ISU fan about why UNI should be ranked above ISU or vice versa. Pretty much every single post I've written has poked a bit of fun about the insecurity, as I see it, of Iowa State fans who are getting all worked up over UNI being ranked higher in the polls. I did write once that if ISU had beaten Texas Tech on the road, like we should have, that UNI being ranked higher likely wouldn't be an issue. I do think that loss is worse than either UNI losing at VCU or even Evansville. The Evansville loss happened a month and a half ago, wherein the loss in Lubbock was about three weeks ago or so. Whether that's fair or not, the timing of good wins and bad losses plays a part in the voters' minds about which teams to rank where. If UNI loses between now and their game at WSU and Iowa State wins the games they're supposed to and even steals a road win or two, I completely expect ISU to jump ahead of UNI, and rightfully so.

To carry it one step further, since you asked about being favored, etc., if ISU and UNI were to play this season, if the game were played in Cedar Falls I think UNI would win in single digits, if in Ames ISU would win by between 9-12 points, and it would be anyone's ball game on a neutral court.

Does that help?

Oh my god, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I am not complaining about you thinking UNI is better or anything. I am complaining about exactly what I bolded. It's annoying and doesn't make sense whatsoever. I have replied 3 times already why. Why you have such an aversion to ISU fans talking about another in state team that has gotten its higher ranking in such a different way than ISU is beyond me.



To your actual points, the loss @Evansville is definitely a tier better (less worse?) than ISU's @Texas Tech.

UNI won't drop in the rankings until they lose, even if ISU loses to a top 10 kenpom/rpi team and beats a top 25 team while UNI beats two 200+ level opponents. Does that make sense? No. Will it come up in a discussion of ISU's rank this week? Yes. Does that mean ISU fans somehow have some inferiority complex? No.

We have been ranked in the top 20 essentially all year. We are not just happy to be here. We would like to crack into the top 10-12 and grab a 3 seed.

I think ISU fans would also like to be considered the top team in the state because we believe we have the top resume. And on a message board, that discussion will happen. It's perfectly normal and we don't need a ISU/UNI combo fan coming in and policing the boards for UNI discussion.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

And I'm definitely not insecure about UNI being ranked higher, I just think it's incredibly dumb.

Right? I see something that can't be defended, that is nonsensical, and I want to present facts to defend my position. I don't see how anyone can defend UNI being the #11 team in the nation not just over ISU but over some of the other teams near that ranking.

And I think it's natural and normal to see a team rocket to the top part of the rankings on a powderpuff schedule and be a bit perturbed that they've gotten ahead of you with an easier road.

Honestly, I saw just as many if not more people last year talking about WSU not deserving their seed/ranking as I have this year about UNI.

UNI will be ranked 11-13 with ISU a few spots behind, but looking at bracketology it's clear their resume doesn't stack up.

ISU a 3 seed, UNI a 6.

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-tournament/bracketology/

Bracket matrix has ISU as a 3 and UNI as a 5.

http://bracketmatrix.com/

New brackets coming out tomorrow should be interesting.

 

[only4cy]

Chippewa is becoming the tuco of the purple hoks.

 

[AMarner32]

Actually that is not the case.
(all numbers are Kenpom)
UNI plays:

@154. 262, 132, @13

Avg: 140.25

Gonzaga plays:

@260, @65, 108, 32

Avg: 116.25

Obviously they will both play some creampuffs in their tournies if they win, but UNI will have the advantage post season alone should they both make it to the championship game and WSU does as well. Of course those games don't do a ton of good unless UNI wins. If that works out the two schedules might even out.

I agree with a lot of the points you're making. You haven't really been saying anything I disagree with. My whole point was that UNI could be a 2-3 seed if they win out. That's all.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I agree with a lot of the points you're making. You haven't really been saying anything I disagree with. My whole point was that UNI could be a 2-3 seed if they win out. That's all.

Fair enough, I think the odds are pretty far against that and if they do I think they can jump to a 3 maybe but not a 2. And if WSU gets upset they lose their shot at a 2nd/3rd quality win on the year.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Going for 3 weeks in a row of calling our ranking correctly. Keep going back and forth between 14 and 15, but I'll say we stay the same at 14.

Purple Tuco is mad tonight.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Going for 3 weeks in a row of calling our ranking correctly. Keep going back and forth between 14 and 15, but I'll say we stay the same at 14.

Purple Tuco is mad tonight.

Glad I can get under your skin enough for you to give me a silly nickname.

 

[AMarner32]

Fair enough, I think the odds are pretty far against that and if they do I think they can jump to a 3 maybe but not a 2. And if WSU gets upset they lose their shot at a 2nd/3rd quality win on the year.

And that's fine. Neither of us are on the selection committee-- as far as you know -- so this was all speculation. I guess we'll see who's right if UNI runs the table.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

Glad I can get under your skin enough for you to give me a silly nickname.

The only time I really ever talk about UNI is the one post I made that blew up, when I was calling out their dumb *** announcer for saying that UNI could win @OU and @KU. Other than that I couldn't care less about them or where they're ranked. If they were in the Big 12 they'd be right above Tech and TCU. UNI is completely irrelevant to me. In other words, you are no where close to under my skin.

 

[cyclones500]

Worst-case, Iowa State is 15th.

UNI & WSU shouldn't be ranked above Iowa State anyway, but since each is on either side, and didn't lose this week, that's the scenario after a 1-1 week for the Cyclones, so both could be ahead of us.

No teams immediately ahead had a bad enough loss to drop below (Louisville won't lose 300 votes for losing at home to Pitt, for example, and that probably diminishes UNC loss at Pitt).

OU won't jump 3 spots or better, even with a win over Iowa State, because of the loss at KSU. Butler lost to Villanova, after defeating DePaul. Baylor lost twice. Maryland beat previously unranked IU at home, and at Penn State.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Oh my god, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I am not complaining about you thinking UNI is better or anything. I am complaining about exactly what I bolded. It's annoying and doesn't make sense whatsoever. I have replied 3 times already why. Why you have such an aversion to ISU fans talking about another in state team that has gotten its higher ranking in such a different way than ISU is beyond me.



To your actual points, the loss @Evansville is definitely a tier better (less worse?) than ISU's @Texas Tech.

UNI won't drop in the rankings until they lose, even if ISU loses to a top 10 kenpom/rpi team and beats a top 25 team while UNI beats two 200+ level opponents. Does that make sense? No. Will it come up in a discussion of ISU's rank this week? Yes. Does that mean ISU fans somehow have some inferiority complex? No.

We have been ranked in the top 20 essentially all year. We are not just happy to be here. We would like to crack into the top 10-12 and grab a 3 seed.

I think ISU fans would also like to be considered the top team in the state because we believe we have the top resume. And on a message board, that discussion will happen. It's perfectly normal and we don't need a ISU/UNI combo fan coming in and policing the boards for UNI discussion.

I don't have an aversion to discussion. I do have an aversion to some posters (and I didn't originally include you in this) to treating UNI the exact same way that Tavern Hoks treat ISU. I have had that same aversion ever since UNI got to be a good program under McDermott and started to upset the natural order in the state.

And I'm not "policing" anything on here. I haven't reported you or anyone else on here for any sort of inappropriate post, so not quite sure where you're coming from on that.

Look, in the end the rankings are just a subjective exercise that have little meaning other than status. As it stands right now I would say there's a pretty good chance that ISU gets a higher seed than UNI, even if UNI finishes with only 4-5 losses.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I don't have an aversion to discussion. I do have an aversion to some posters (and I didn't originally include you in this) to treating UNI the exact same way that Tavern Hoks treat ISU. I have had that same aversion ever since UNI got to be a good program under McDermott and started to upset the natural order in the state.

And I'm not "policing" anything on here. I haven't reported you or anyone else on here for any sort of inappropriate post, so not quite sure where you're coming from on that.

Look, in the end the rankings are just a subjective exercise that have little meaning other than status. As it stands right now I would say there's a pretty good chance that ISU gets a higher seed than UNI, even if UNI finishes with only 4-5 losses.

1. As an ISU fan, I get mad when Iowa fans treat ISU like a midmajor team. That is what UNI is. They're a mid major and they play a mid major schedule. They are having the best regular season in school history right now and that's great, they are a good team. They have not had to face the adversity that ISU has.

2. Let's not get technical here. Coming to threads and telling people what they are doing makes them inferior or is wrong or whatever. It gets old. Whatever you want to call it. I disagree with the concept that ISU fans talking about a team ranked immediately in front of them with a powderpuff schedule makes them somehow unintelligent, inferior, small minded, petty, petulent, whatever you mean to insinuate.

3. None of this matters then. What people say on a message board doesn't matter so there is no need to insert yourself into threads and spout off about ISU fans being little brother to a mid major. The fact of the matter is sports are entertainment and people are going to talk about them and this is the story in state right now other than the Hawks imploding.

 

[GTO]

Why is it the same few posters that are getting their feelings hurt when UNI is talked about?

 

[Cyclonepride]

or they may notice we are 1-4 on the road in the conference with trips left to Texas, OKSt, KSt and TCU.
Really need a split this week.

So they rank based on what they think the future might hold? The UNI talk is silly. They're good, but would be lower division in the Big 12.

 

[cycloneworld]

Why is it the same few posters that are getting their feelings hurt when UNI is talked about?

Probably the same people that want to hear 100% ISU talk on sports talk radio and when someone else says something good about someone else or if they don't drool adequately enough over ISU, they are an ISU hater.

I'm glad UNI is ranked high and I will root for them to win the the tournament.

While I don't think UNI is too high at #11, their RPI is #19 so they definitely belong.

 

[CTTB78]

The hate isn't for UNI...or WSU either. It's for voters having too big of a woody for mid majors who overly benefit from playing soft teams to those in power conferences laying it on the line game in and game out and sometimes taking it on the chin. UNI has to lay it on the line maybe a handful of times in a season. No offense to the Panthers. They play who they play...but they are not a top 10 team...I don't blame them...I blame the voters....

Agree. But the voters are not the only ones to blame. If these 'mid-majors' are going to aspire to be big time, schools like Gonzaga, WSU, and UNI need to start playing some of the power programs in preseason. I hope the committee makes this very clear in their seeding.

 

[CyHawk7]

Agree. But the voters are not the only ones to blame. If these 'mid-majors' are going to aspire to be big time, schools like Gonzaga, WSU, and UNI need to start playing some of the power programs in preseason. I hope the committee makes this very clear in their seeding.

Gonzaga does a pretty good job of beefing up there non conference schedule.

 

[Thomasrickj]

Gonzaga does a pretty good job of beefing up there non conference schedule.

You can't be serious here. They played SMU and Arizona and lost to Arizona. Outside of those two they played Georgia and St John's, two mediocre power conference teams. I wouldn't say that's a "beefed up" schedule.

 

[LLCoolCY]

College Basketball Talk top 25 rankings are out.
1. UK
2. UW
3. Zags
4. UV
5. Duke
...
8. KU
...
12. ISU
14. UNI
16. Baylor
17. OU
...
23. Okie St.

Out - WV.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...25-who-makes-up-college-basketballs-top-tier/