2/16/15 AP Poll Ranking?
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And @ UCLA. They played RPI #7, #22, #30, #34, and #40 in the non-con. They also played at BYU (RPI #60). That's about as good as you can do these days.
Compare their non conference schedules to other good mid majors. They played 7 or 8 power 5 schools in their non con a couple years ago. I'm not saying they make it muders row but it's generally significantly tougher than the schedules uni and wsu come out with. Gonzaga has a legit program.
So will our top ten jinx transfer to UNI if they make single digits this year? If so we could have a state of Iowa thing and not just an ISU jinx. I am fine with a double digit ISU ranking. The final year-end ISU ranking is the important one. Wish to be in the top four for that one.
I include Gonzaga in this mid major fiasco also....Okay...they beat #17 SMU, #40 Georgia #48 St. Johns and #50 UCLA......who'd they play right after that? And then After that? This is my point. One night UNI can beat just about anybody...but then they get to go play Bradley...or Missouri State...you get the idea. Tell them to play Kansas then two days later play Texas...then play Oklahoma...you get the idea. The Panthers would not survive that as well as ISU...they just wouldn't. Are the Panther's a good team? Yes Are they built for a Power conference to do what they're doing now? No way.
If they win out, expect a three seed. Loyola on road, Evansville and Bradley at home, road WSU, and three games in MVC. Seven to go and two real games.
I think Gonzaga did a decent job. If we are talking about effort I think those schools definitely try. Playing @Arizona with no home return I believe is ballsy.
But no matter how hard they try, it doesn't make them deserve any more than what their schedule is in reality.
Duke does have some really impressive wins though. Their resume is pretty damn stellar. And their only loss in the past month was the same week they won @UVA, which is probably the biggest win in the entire nation this year.
@Wisconsin, @LVille, @UVA, beat ND by 30 at home.
Gonzaga absolutely could compete for a power 5 conference title this year and in past years. UNI? No way. WSU I think could have last year but definitely not this year. Gonzaga is the only mid major to me that doesn't look like mid major when you watch them play. They're big, athletic and have really good guard play.
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Not bad IMO. I think the difference is destroying WVU vs. destroying TTU
1. Kentucky (65) 25-0 1,625 1
2. Virginia 23-1 1,524 2
3. Gonzaga 26-1 1,475 3
4. Duke 22-3 1,449 4
5. Wisconsin 23-2 1,387 5
6. Villanova 23-2 1,302 6
7. Arizona 22-3 1,213 7
8. Kansas 21-4 1,195 8
9. Utah 20-4 1,051 11
10. Notre Dame 22-4 1,038 10
11. N. Iowa 24-2 955 13
12. Louisville 20-5 882 9
13. Wichita St. 23-3 862 15
14. Iowa St. 18-6 761 14
15. North Carolina 18-7 658 12
16. Maryland 21-5 640 19
17. Oklahoma 17-8 554 17
18. Arkansas 20-5 476 24
19. Butler 18-7 456 18
20. Baylor 18-7 364 16
21. SMU 21-5 299 25
22. Oklahoma St. 17-8 240 21
23. West Virginia 19-6 154 21
24. Ohio St. 19-7 139 23
25. VCU 19-6 109 20
Others receiving votes: Texas 70, San Diego St. 64, Providence 44, Murray St. 38, Temple 28, Georgetown 23, Michigan St. 17, Dayton 10, Texas A&M 8, Valparaiso 8, Indiana 7.
Ballots Online: http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
Lost about 80 poll points from last week.
2. Virginia 23-1 1,524 2
3. Gonzaga 26-1 1,475 3
4. Duke 22-3 1,449 4
5. Wisconsin 23-2 1,387 5
6. Villanova 23-2 1,302 6
7. Arizona 22-3 1,213 7
8. Kansas 21-4 1,195 8
9. Utah 20-4 1,051 11
10. Notre Dame 22-4 1,038 10
11. N. Iowa 24-2 955 13
12. Louisville 20-5 882 9
13. Wichita St. 23-3 862 15
14. Iowa St. 18-6 761 14
15. North Carolina 18-7 658 12
16. Maryland 21-5 640 19
17. Oklahoma 17-8 554 17
18. Arkansas 20-5 476 24
19. Butler 18-7 456 18
20. Baylor 18-7 364 16
21. SMU 21-5 299 25
22. Oklahoma St. 17-8 240 21
23. West Virginia 19-6 154 21
24. Ohio St. 19-7 139 23
25. VCU 19-6 109 20
Others receiving votes: Texas 70, San Diego St. 64, Providence 44, Murray St. 38, Temple 28, Georgetown 23, Michigan St. 17, Dayton 10, Texas A&M 8, Valparaiso 8, Indiana 7.
Ballots Online: http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
Lost about 80 poll points from last week.
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As I paged thru this thread, I had the exact same reaction - there's no need to minimize UNI's accomplishments this season! They're a very likeable program, with a coach who represents the university well and a bunch of home-grown players. What's not to like?
People put entirely too much stock in strength of schedule / power rankings when they prognosticate tournament performance. How many mid-majors with "weak" regular season conference schedules have we watched go deep in recent years (Butler, VCU, George Washington, WSU, etc.)? The SOS argument is superfluous...
Until such time as UNI begins pilfering recruits that Fred wants, I'll continue to celebrate their successes! I've alway maintained ISU fans are a cut above our EIU brethren because we don't act and talk like them - let's keep it that way!
Who is prognosticating tourney performance? Anyone doing that for any team is pretty much talking out of their ***. That's all a crapshoot.
We are talking about resume and seeding. And UNI might be great but SOS is a real thing and you can't just give them a 2 seed because they have a nice shiny record. The AP rankings right now do not reflect that actual rankings in the committee's eyes. Nobody has UNI above ISU in their bracketology and almost nobody has UNI as a 3 seed.
Also, Iowa and ISU are power 5 conference schools, why should we treat UNI like a power 5 conference school when they are a mid major and play a mid major schedule? That logic escapes me.
