49ers - Brock Purdy - Still and Always #1

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Man imagine if you guys had an offensive line and some better weapons when he was there. You would have been in the College Football Playoff. Did you ever realize he was this good? They kind of under achieved with him there. Should have been more. Obviously based on what you are now seeing in the pros. Because it's astonishing.

There were weapons but notice how many former ISU OL are NOT in the NFL.

Hall and Montgomery getting that many yards was kind of remarkable.
 

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We knew he was good. His college career was interesting. Freshman year, the coaches just let him play how he likes to play and it was just wild success. After that they really tried to make him be a pocket passer (prevent injury). Junior year we won the Fiesta bowl. Senior year most people blame on the offensive coordinator lacking any creativity at all. His senior year was a big disappointment considering what talent we did have. That said, offensive line has always been a big problem. Fortunately for you, all of that has shaped and sharpened Brock into what he is today. His feel of pressure and ability to anticipate is outstanding. Personally the biggest problem you'll see in Brock is that he will at times try to do too much (make a play when it's just not there). It's just part of who he is.
Love Brock, but he had a couple of the worst decisions I've ever seen anyone make at any level while at ISU. He's done a little bit of that in the pros, but fortunately nothing like the first one in this video...
 

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Yes, he took a team that didn’t look so great and instantly had success the program has never before experienced. Obviously coach deserves props but I think everyone on CycloneFanatic knew that something like this would happen… maybe not THIS good, but… good. He has clearly exceeded all expectations.

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We knew he was good. His college career was interesting. Freshman year, the coaches just let him play how he likes to play and it was just wild success. After that they really tried to make him be a pocket passer (prevent injury). Junior year we won the Fiesta bowl. Senior year most people blame on the offensive coordinator lacking any creativity at all. His senior year was a big disappointment considering what talent we did have. That said, offensive line has always been a big problem. Fortunately for you, all of that has shaped and sharpened Brock into what he is today. His feel of pressure and ability to anticipate is outstanding. Personally the biggest problem you'll see in Brock is that he will at times try to do too much (make a play when it's just not there). It's just part of who he is.

Yeah I've seen that a few times. But when he just processes, goes through reads and progressions, gets the ball out quick and throws accurately he's amazing.
 
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Love Brock, but he had a couple of the worst decisions I've ever seen anyone make at any level while at ISU. He's done a little bit of that in the pros, but fortunately nothing like the first one in this video...


I think in some ways he learned from those mistakes. Both in College and the way they coach him now. It made him better going through that. Because you don't see it as much. But I've seen it a few times. Mostly he makes great decisions now though. Brock seems like the type of guy who learns from his mistakes and won't repeat the same ones often. Steve Young even comments on this a lot.
 
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This conversation had me wondering what my first thoughts of Purdy were so I went back and looked up one of my first posts after his debut. We are still enjoying the ride 5 years later!

Have we had other QBs come out and have great performances on their debuts and then never quite seem to live up to the hype afterwards... Sure. But we never had anything like last week. A true freshman on the road against a top 25 (at the time) team in a place ISU has had very little success. We've never seen anything like that. It's the most promising debut we've ever seen at ISU from a qb.

Is it possible Purdy is a flash in the pan, sure. But it's also possible he will only improve from here. I can and will be super excited about his potential and if it doesn't pan out oh well, on to the next one. Everyone who's yelling pump the brakes are really just telling themselves to put their nutcups on because they have that same old ISU mentality. Quit the hand wringing and enjoy the ride.
 

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Man imagine if you guys had an offensive line and some better weapons when he was there. You would have been in the College Football Playoff. Did you ever realize he was this good? They kind of under achieved with him there. Should have been more. Obviously based on what you are now seeing in the pros. Because it's astonishing.
A better OL and special teams would have won more games during the Brock/Breece years for sure. But Brock also made critical mistakes in some key games that cost us, usually due to him trying to do too much or in some cases just not having good ball security. The Niners are benefitting significantly from Brock getting a ton of reps against good competition in college and learning from his mistakes. Which you expect from a conscientious, self-aware guy like Brock. The net is that Iowa State took some lumps to deliver the player that Brock is today and it’s great to see a Niners fan come on our site and appreciate that.
 

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A better OL and special teams would have won more games during the Brock/Breece years for sure. But Brock also made critical mistakes in some key games that cost us, usually due to him trying to do too much or in some cases just not having good ball security. The Niners are benefitting significantly from Brock getting a ton of reps against good competition in college and learning from his mistakes. Which you expect from a conscientious, self-aware guy like Brock. The net is that Iowa State took some lumps to deliver the player that Brock is today and it’s great to see a Niners fan come on our site and appreciate that.

Thanks I appreciate that. Yes I do see that with Brock. I think he has learned from his mistakes. All that ball was good for him. Both the good and bad. He got a lot of reps. He is the type to look inward and learn. He doesn't discount his mistakes. He learns from them. Steve Young talks about that. He says Brock is the type of player who makes a mistake once. He won't make the same one again. Then he learns from it.
 

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A better OL and special teams would have won more games during the Brock/Breece years for sure. But Brock also made critical mistakes in some key games that cost us, usually due to him trying to do too much or in some cases just not having good ball security. The Niners are benefitting significantly from Brock getting a ton of reps against good competition in college and learning from his mistakes. Which you expect from a conscientious, self-aware guy like Brock. The net is that Iowa State took some lumps to deliver the player that Brock is today and it’s great to see a Niners fan come on our site and appreciate that.
Flat out, better coaching would have won more games in the Brock/Breece years. Obviously no secret that we played the opposite of “complimentary football” but more critically in those years, so many issues “in the margins” directly impacted the team’s ability to win games. Sure, we won “more games than we were used to” but a friendly reminder that past failures or successes literally mean nothing. Personally, I believe those teams vastly underperformed, and having a few 8 win seasons (and a 9 win season during Covid) doesn’t make it any better just because we sucked as a program in the 80’s, 90’s, etc. In a very short amount of time after he graduated, Purdy vastly improved his mechanics, his footwork, and his arm strength. Huge credit to his trainers and throwing coaches since graduating because frankly he’s by far the best he’s ever been (right now) physically. I don’t think he would be where he is today simply by learning/growing from his college experience; he’s received a much, MUCH higher level of coaching since Iowa State and it’s ramped up his game exponentially. There’s absolutely valid reasons why he wasn’t drafted higher - it’s because his college tape did not warrant it. I know this will offend a lot of fans here, but many of you know deep down this is the truth.
 
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Flat out, better coaching would have won more games in the Brock/Breece years. Obviously no secret that we played the opposite of “complimentary football” but more critically in those years, so many issues “in the margins” directly impacted the team’s ability to win games. Sure, we won “more games than we were used to” but a friendly reminder that past failures or successes literally mean nothing. Personally, I believe those teams vastly underperformed, and having a few 8 win seasons (and a 9 win season during Covid) doesn’t make it any better just because we sucked as a program in the 80’s, 90’s, etc. In a very short amount of time after he graduated, Purdy vastly improved his mechanics, his footwork, and his arm strength. Huge credit to his trainers and throwing coaches since graduating because frankly he’s by far the best he’s ever been (right now) physically. I don’t think he would be where he is today simply by learning/growing from his college experience; he’s received a much, MUCH higher level of coaching since Iowa State and it’s ramped up his game exponentially. There’s absolutely valid reasons why he wasn’t drafted higher - it’s because his college tape did not warrant it. I know this will offend a lot of fans here, but many of you know deep down this is the truth.
His coaching is better and in the pros he can invest all his time at his craft as opposed to college. But you can’t discount learning from his mistakes in college. Throwing mechanics didn’t cause him to fumble late in the first half of the 2019 Iowa game, or fumble for the scoop and score at the end of the first half at OU in 2021, or bat the ball forward that got returned for a pick 6 by Clemson in the bowl game. Those are just 3 examples of shortcomings in decisions and ball security that were critical mistakes in 1 score losses. So far Brock has almost entirely avoided mistakes like that in his 20 or so NFL games.
 

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Flat out, better coaching would have won more games in the Brock/Breece years. Obviously no secret that we played the opposite of “complimentary football” but more critically in those years, so many issues “in the margins” directly impacted the team’s ability to win games. Sure, we won “more games than we were used to” but a friendly reminder that past failures or successes literally mean nothing. Personally, I believe those teams vastly underperformed, and having a few 8 win seasons (and a 9 win season during Covid) doesn’t make it any better just because we sucked as a program in the 80’s, 90’s, etc. In a very short amount of time after he graduated, Purdy vastly improved his mechanics, his footwork, and his arm strength. Huge credit to his trainers and throwing coaches since graduating because frankly he’s by far the best he’s ever been (right now) physically. I don’t think he would be where he is today simply by learning/growing from his college experience; he’s received a much, MUCH higher level of coaching since Iowa State and it’s ramped up his game exponentially. There’s absolutely valid reasons why he wasn’t drafted higher - it’s because his college tape did not warrant it. I know this will offend a lot of fans here, but many of you know deep down this is the truth.
Some of what you say is true but there are limitations with college. A lot of it is due to resources and also limitations too how much player can practice with the staff. Also some limitations are with the player themselves. Some develop at different rates both mentally and physically. To say look how great Purdy is playing in the pros why didn't he do that in college is taking results in a vacuum.
 
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Some of what you say is true but there are limitations with college. A lot of it is due to resources and also limitations too how much player can practice with the staff. Also some limitations are with the player themselves. Some develop at different rates both mentally and physically. To say look how great Purdy is playing in the pros why didn't he do that in college is taking results in a vacuum.

I'm pretty sure Cloned4life was one who thought ISU should be really good with play action because their son's 2nd grade flag football team ran it, and then thought ISU losing to a good KU team just shouldn't happen 'because it's Kansas' l so the last sentence here kind of nails it.
 
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