Adding Sports?

2speedy1

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Instead of spending money on adding sports ISU needs to keep putting money into the sports we have.

I have said this over and over. Very few cared about ISU baseball until it went away. Even if you bring it back ISU will never compete in this conference. Good players want to go south to play. Even the good softball players from this state go south to play.
I agree, but that is because of the season....as I said, the only way it would ever be feasible would be if they moved the schedule later, which is very unlikely to ever happen.
 

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Swimming won more conference titles, had numerous all Americans, and was a top 25 program that gave up its place to woman who have accomplished non of the above.
 

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What attendance and donations did they draw?
Swimming had an endowment donated by 2 former swimmers. One was T Wilson former CEO of Boeing.
As much attendance as most Olympic sports.
Beyer is 60 years old. They had plans to add a pool to north side of Lied which would enhance student rec service.
 
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Not exactly sure.
Swimming had an endowment donated by 2 former swimmers. One was T Wilson former CEO of Boeing.
As much attendance as most Olympic sports.
Beyer is 60 years old. They had plans to add a pool to north side of Lied which would enhance student rec service.
Are we talking a sizeable one that would take care of it? Took a quick look and swimming has 9.9 scholarships, so just roughing things in, you would need about 400k for the scholarships and if you could go cheap on a couple coaches, around 250k for them so 650K before any pool or other expenses. At a 5% rate of return that many use, that is a 13MM endowment to just satisfy the scholarships and coaches. No equipment, maintenance, clothing or anything like that.
 

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Are we talking a sizeable one that would take care of it? Took a quick look and swimming has 9.9 scholarships, so just roughing things in, you would need about 400k for the scholarships and if you could go cheap on a couple coaches, around 250k for them so 650K before any pool or other expenses. At a 5% rate of return that many use, that is a 13MM endowment to just satisfy the scholarships and coaches. No equipment, maintenance, clothing or anything like that.
Now you are nitpicking. Give me a rundown on what the endowments are for the other Olympic sports. I can tell you the gifts were bigger than anything wrestling has ever been given and it was probably over 25 years ago.
If you start making a comparison, use existing programs. What level is your giving?
 

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Why add more sports? None of them would make money, and we would suck anyway. Pour all money into football and basketball.
Looking forward, if you want to be part of a major conference, you need to be a full participant in the conference. FB is king but look at how many sports the sec and B10 have. We couldn't even be a good contributor to P12. Wrestling doesn't help much except B10. The B12 is deficient in general. TX fits SEC in that regard. Maybe ou will expand to keep up once they dig out of their hole. As a conference the B12 doesn't offer much to ACC schools. You need to realize schools are going to look for a landing for all their programs. B12 sucks at that.
Maybe drop wrestling and add men's tennis and bowling:)
 

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Now you are nitpicking. Give me a rundown on what the endowments are for the other Olympic sports. I can tell you the gifts were bigger than anything wrestling has ever been given and it was probably over 25 years ago.
If you start making a comparison, use existing programs. What level is your giving?
I was asking because if the money was there to fully fund it then there was 0 reason to kill it. If there was only enough to pick up a scholarship or two, then you can't really keep it going. You mentioned wrestling, that has always been a tough one to compare, there are some extremely loyal donors and I know the wrestling club does raise a large chunk for the wrestling team on an annual basis. Still using the sport you compared, that sport has over 1000 in attendance (I believe their average is around that 2500-300) at every meet and been that way for as long as I can recall.

If you thought swimming should have survived instead of wrestling for ISU, one are one of very few with that opinion.
 

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If we were to add sports, would think a key is facilities both mens/womens teams could leverage.

I would go with women's wrestling and men's soccer.

Would love if we had baseball, but IMO we would have an uphill battle to win. If the NCAA would adjust schedule to make baseball a late spring/summer sport- would be all for adding. At least initially, maybe Clones could use Principal Park.

Did I see college baseball started a few weeks ago or did I misunderstand something on espn? That’s nuts. I live in socal and even the very best climate in the nation has not been fit for baseball lately with 40s and rain pretty normal. Do they play in all indoor facilities? Even UCLA wouldn’t have playing outside lately.
 

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Did I see college baseball started a few weeks ago or did I misunderstand something on espn? That’s nuts. I live in socal and even the very best climate in the nation has not been fit for baseball lately with 40s and rain pretty normal. Do they play in all indoor facilities? Even UCLA wouldn’t have playing outside lately.

NCAA baseball opening day was Feb. 17. Softball started on Feb. 9.
 

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I was asking because if the money was there to fully fund it then there was 0 reason to kill it. If there was only enough to pick up a scholarship or two, then you can't really keep it going. You mentioned wrestling, that has always been a tough one to compare, there are some extremely loyal donors and I know the wrestling club does raise a large chunk for the wrestling team on an annual basis. Still using the sport you compared, that sport has over 1000 in attendance (I believe their average is around that 2500-300) at every meet and been that way for as long as I can recall.

If you thought swimming should have survived instead of wrestling for ISU, one are one of very few with that opinion.
That isn't my opinion. I thought this thread was about adding sports. I must have mislead myself.
Swimming and baseball were dropped within hours of losing the Hampton game. I know this as fact. It was necessary because of gene Smith's incompetence managing the budget.
 

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That isn't my opinion. I thought this thread was about adding sports. I must have mislead myself.
Swimming and baseball were dropped within hours of losing the Hampton game. I know this as fact. It was necessary because of gene Smith's incompetence managing the budget.
Which was 30 years ago. I wish nothing had to be dropped. I admit that Gene spent plenty, but that was just one situation, we were lousy on donations, still are. We also had to start spending to try to get dug out of a complete dumpster fire of football which is the major money maker. We finally started the focus on football which was needed.

Now to adding sports, we are not at a point where we can, unless our donations pop up about 10-15MM year (basically double), we can't. Why CyTown is happening, to try to make up for our crap donations.
 

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The solution here is to add yard games, both men’s and women’s. Bags, washers, ladderball, beersbee, etc. on a side note if I graduated 20+ years ago but never used any eligibility, how many years would I have?
 

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The solution here is to add yard games, both men’s and women’s. Bags, washers, ladderball, beersbee, etc. on a side note if I graduated 20+ years ago but never used any eligibility, how many years would I have?
Your 5 year clock started when you enrolled 20+ years ago. Stick a fork in you, you are done.
 
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Either baseball or hockey would be cool, but if I had to pick just one, give me hockey. Makes a lot more sense geographically. If baseball started closer to spring break it would make more sense. You'd still have the potential for really cold games and practices though.
 

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