Big 12 expansion list: Andy Katz

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The original Big 12 expansion list once Texas A&M announced going to SEC was Arkansas, BYU, Pitt, Louisville, West Virginia. Ark/Pitt out.


Of course that's the Big 12's list. Never a guarantee that BYU would say yes then, now, or in the future. Lou/WVU? Tough call.
 

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I think Louisville and WVU would be more than fine additions. They look fantastic in our league on NCAA Football 12 anyway :wink:
 

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The original Big 12 expansion list once Texas A&M announced going to SEC was Arkansas, BYU, Pitt, Louisville, West Virginia. Ark/Pitt out.

Not sure that is accurate.

B12 Expansion targets have always been:

BYU (but only as a full member - might take a few years)
TCU - still in transition.
Cincinnati
Louisville

Outside shots: Tulsa, Houston, others (maybe even Troy?) to make a conference make sense geographically and academically. There is wild speculation out there but if our leaders make sense - they will do the right thing or mess it all up.
 

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Other the Norte Dame when you look at enrollment, seating capacities, research endownments the following could be possibilities:

Temple, West Viginia, Cincy, Louisville, BYU, UAB, UTEP, Memphis.
 
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Not sure that is accurate.

B12 Expansion targets have always been:

BYU (but only as a full member - might take a few years)
TCU - still in transition.
Cincinnati
Louisville

Outside shots: Tulsa, Houston, others (maybe even Troy?) to make a conference make sense geographically and academically. There is wild speculation out there but if our leaders make sense - they will do the right thing or mess it all up.

I am very sure your list is NOT accurate. UT will never allow TCU or Houston. Tulsa makes no sense. Who is Troy again? Do they play football? In case you don't realize it the reason our country is in such sad shape is because our leaders do NOT make sensable decisions. They make decisions to line their own pockets and screw everybody else - be it business, politics, the courts, or even the church. This whole thing is about money (TV) and everything else including academics is of secondary concern or not even on the list. Its ugly and doesn't make sense but it is what is is. Read the huge A&M/Expansion thread and maybe you'll figure out what's really going on.
 

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Louisville, West Virginia, and if Arkansas really isn't interested, Kentucky.
 

Stormin

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Doubtful that Kentucky leaves SEC.

My preferences are Louisville, WVU, and possibly BYU or USF. Last recourse would be Cincinatti.
 

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My suggestion is that the Big XII gets its act together before even thinking about this topic. What is our pitch? "Come join a conference that has been non-stop threats and posturing for the past 18 months."?

We need to be on better footing in order to attract top candidates. Who in their right mind would join the Big XI right now?
 

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Any Non AQ team that wants to double or triple their current revenue.

Fixed it for you because no BCS school will double or triple their revenue by leaving for the Big 12. A Big East school might make more but they won't double their revenue.
 

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Really enjoy how message board posters feel that they know more than media members actually talking to people involved in the situation.
 

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It has been said by multiple people in the Big 12 over the last week, no Texas schools will be considered in the expansion. Katz list is accurate.
 

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I really don't understand what BYU has to lose by joining the Big XII. They are independent. If they join the conference and it folds a few years later, they're in the same boat, just now considered an AQ school.
 

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Not sure that is accurate.

B12 Expansion targets have always been:

BYU (but only as a full member - might take a few years)
TCU - still in transition.
Cincinnati
Louisville

Outside shots: Tulsa, Houston, others (maybe even Troy?) to make a conference make sense geographically and academically. There is wild speculation out there but if our leaders make sense - they will do the right thing or mess it all up.


Says who?

I'd say DMACC has an equal chance as Troy State.
 

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Louisville, West Virginia, and if Arkansas really isn't interested, Kentucky.

The Big East is the only BCS conference that the Big XII could even hope to poach from. Nobody is going the leave the SEC, Big 10, or Pac-12 for the Big XII right now. Nobody. Even getting any ACC teams is very, very unlikely.
 

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The Big East is the only BCS conference that the Big XII could even hope to poach from. Nobody is going the leave the SEC, Big 10, or Pac-12 for the Big XII right now. Nobody. Even getting any ACC teams is very, very unlikely.


The Big 12 even calling Arkansas to ask, which it did, is just asinine. Makes you question WTH they are thinking. Realistic targets is step one.
 

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Fixed it for you because no BCS school will double or triple their revenue by leaving for the Big 12. A Big East school might make more but they won't double their revenue.

What do you think the Tier 1 contract is going to look like for the Big East in a couple of years with the loss of Pitt, Syracuse, and possibly Louisville, Cinci, USF or WVU??

Do you really think they will be offered much at all?? Big 12 Tier 1 rights are at only $60 million right now. In a couple of years the Tier 1 contract is up. I see that going up to around $150 million or more with the right teams added. Big 12 is a powerhouse in football. In fact, it might be the strongest in the nation right now along with the SEC. The ACC is irrelevant. Pac 12 is down some. Big Ten just has TV sets and mediocre football teams.

So a stable Big 12 could be double the revenue of a Big East team in the future IMO.
 

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Lost in most of these discussions is -How in the world would a 16 team conference ever work in football??? So you don't see one of the teams in your "league" at home for 8 years? That makes a lot of sense. The bottom feeders will be looking to bolt from the 16 team leagues and in 10 years we'll be back to 12 team leagues.

What do you think the Tier 1 contract is going to look like for the Big East in a couple of years with the loss of Pitt, Syracuse, and possibly Louisville, Cinci, USF or WVU??

Do you really think they will be offered much at all?? Big 12 Tier 1 rights are at only $60 million right now. In a couple of years the Tier 1 contract is up. I see that going up to around $150 million or more with the right teams added. Big 12 is a powerhouse in football. In fact, it might be the strongest in the nation right now along with the SEC. The ACC is irrelevant. Pac 12 is down some. Big Ten just has TV sets and mediocre football teams.

So a stable Big 12 could be double the revenue of a Big East team in the future IMO.
 

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Before any of those schools are contacted you have to try for some of the ACC schools. They only get 11.9 Million per school per year and both tier rights were just renegotiated and that is locked in for 12 years and that was before they just added 2 teams. Even if they can add some to the contract adding Syracuse & Pitt. doesn't add that much.

Comparing The ACC's TV Deal To The Other Five BCS Conferences - BC Interruption

IF the SEC will not take additioal schools in their current footprint as has been said, what do you think schools like FSU, Ga. Tech & South Carolina would do for the tv rights? I think the Big 12 could easily get 20 Million a school. Even with a $20 million exit fee(which I have yet to see a full one paid out) that money would easily be made up.

This also doesn't add anything for tier 3 games or a network any of these schools especially FSU could start. I think FSU could develop their brand much better in the Big 12 than the ACC for football. And while I would much rather have a conference network maybe that entices FSU.

I think the money could be too much for them to pass up. Then the league could determine the financial viability of 14 if they wanted that add BYU & Louisville or West Virginia if they don't go to the SEC.
 

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Lost in most of these discussions is -How in the world would a 16 team conference ever work in football??? So you don't see one of the teams in your "league" at home for 8 years? That makes a lot of sense. The bottom feeders will be looking to bolt from the 16 team leagues and in 10 years we'll be back to 12 team leagues.

The media has created the 16 team league hype because it makes a playoff easier. You would basically have two 8 team leagues, then a conference championship, with the four champions squaring off and you have a make shift 8 team playoff... I see it the other way though, I think the stronger half would leave the weaker half of the conference rather than pay their bills... If the SEC goes to 14 adding Mizzu and A&M, then Auburn and Alabama will likely move East with Vandy moving West. That puts almost all the power in the East aside from LSU. I am sure some of those schools are sick of paying bills for Arkansas, Vandy and the two Mississippi schools so whats from stopping them to breaking off on their own?