Big men shooting the three.

[URBCLONE]

I was disappointed with the loss yesterday. Even though I had this game as an L throughout the season, I thought ISU had a decent shot to hang tough and possibly win this game. The team wasted a really spectacular performance by Brackins. It kind of supports what many of us have been saying, the talent level of this team is simply not up to Big 12 standards. Outside of CB and DG, there are not a lot of players that can go toe to toe with the other teams in this conference.

With all of that, the team was within 6 with about 7 - 8 minutes to go with the ball. On this critical possession, VanderBeken launches another three and misses. I think he was 1-8 from behind the arc yesterday. Can someone explain why GM allows this? Please correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this a major bone of contention for him in Year 1 with Jiri Hubalek? Is having a post firing threes a featured part of GM's system? If so, I can certainly stomach it as long as CB is the guy taking the shot. I don't understand green lighting JVB however...

 

[IcSyU]

With all of that, the team was within 6 with about 7 - 8 minutes to go with the ball. On this critical possession, VanderBeken launches another three and misses. I think he was 1-8 from behind the arc yesterday. Can someone explain why GM allows this? Please correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this a major bone of contention for him in Year 1 with Jiri Hubalek? Is having a post firing threes a featured part of GM's system? If so, I can certainly stomach it as long as CB is the guy taking the shot. I don't understand green lighting JVB however...

He wasn't brought in as a post player...the shot was open, he took it. He was 2/8 by the way. If JVB hits that three, we're praising him, but he missed and now we're questioning it.

 

[URBCLONE]

He wasn't brought in as a post player...the shot was open, he took it. He was 2/8 by the way. If JVB hits that three, we're praising him, but he missed and now we're questioning it.

Ok. 2-8. What I am questioning is whether or not this is good offensive strategy. Again, I seem to recall that GM rode Jiri very hard to get down on the block and take 2-5 ft shots instead of camping out behind the arc.

Floyd used to preach that his players should not 'settle' for threes, that instead they should work for a higher percentage shot inside. I am simply questioning the idea that having big men shooting from behind the arc is the best use of a possession?

 

[fccy]

He wasn't brought in as a post player...the shot was open, he took it. He was 2/8 by the way. If JVB hits that three, we're praising him, but he missed and now we're questioning it.

Correct. When JVB was recruited, GMac wanted him because he could shoot the 3.

 

[cybsball20]

Big men that can shoot the three are valuable because the defender has to either leave him open or commit to stopping the three, leaving a huge void in the middle...

 

[URBCLONE]

Big men that can shoot the three are valuable because the defender has to either leave him open or commit to stopping the three, leaving a huge void in the middle...

I don't argue that point, what I do argue is whether our big men (outside of CB) are capable three point shooters. The possession that I mentioned was critical to the outcome of the game. I think ISU would have been better served to work the ball inside and attempt to get the shot or fouled. Makes it a four point game and all the pressure is on KU. Instead the shot goes off the iron, KU rebounds and it leads to easy points off of transition. 8 point game and a little air goes out of the Cyclones at that point.

 

[Wesley]

Big men that can shoot the three are valuable because the defender has to either leave him open or commit to stopping the three, leaving a huge void in the middle...

That would be okay but we do not know how to rebound worth beans.

 

[IcSyU]

I don't argue that point, what I do argue is whether our big men (outside of CB) are capable three point shooters. The possession that I mentioned was critical to the outcome of the game. I think ISU would have been better served to work the ball inside and attempt to get the shot or fouled. Makes it a four point game and all the pressure is on KU. Instead the shot goes off the iron, KU rebounds and it leads to easy points off of transition. 8 point game and a little air goes out of the Cyclones at that point.

I'll give JVB credit for taking it. Next to Brackins, he looked like the only person on the floor who wanted to take a shot. A three goes in in that situation and the roof comes off Hilton. It was open. He had the balls to take it. Job well done JVB, just hit it next time :wink:

 

[mwitt]

Vanderbeken is a better 3 point shooter than Craig.

 

[erikbj]

His ability to shoot it out there means the opposing team can not double up on CB as fast, because their other big man is out at the 3 point arc. He makes that 3 and it is a 3 point game with 3-4 minutes left and Hilton would be it at its loudest moment since McD took over.

 

[cyfan964]

Tyler Junior College
Led his Tyler squad to a top-10 national ranking and its first outright conference title in 21 years in his sophomore season...averaged 14.1 points and 9.1 rebounds to guide Tyler to a 25-3 overall mark...led the team in field-goal percentage (56.7 percent) and was second on the squad in 3-pointers made with 40



He was second on a Junior College team that went 25-3 in three pointers made. That gives him a green light. The kid is a shooter.

 

[ce1]

These players should take the wide-open three point shot any time they have it: Petersen, Eikmeier, Staiger, JVB

In fact, i'd be ticked if JVB doesn't take that shot. He was brought here to shoot and hit three point shots. Comparing JVB to Hubalek is night and day. The only thing they have in common is height. The two of them have entirely different games, and entirely different roles on this team.

 

[shildreth]

Big men that can shoot the three are valuable because the defender has to either leave him open or commit to stopping the three, leaving a huge void in the middle...

it is valuable when someone takes advantage of that void.... so far no one has. ISU's "inside game" is nonexistant.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I was disappointed with the loss yesterday. Even though I had this game as an L throughout the season, I thought ISU had a decent shot to hang tough and possibly win this game. The team wasted a really spectacular performance by Brackins. It kind of supports what many of us have been saying, the talent level of this team is simply not up to Big 12 standards. Outside of CB and DG, there are not a lot of players that can go toe to toe with the other teams in this conference.

With all of that, the team was within 6 with about 7 - 8 minutes to go with the ball. On this critical possession, VanderBeken launches another three and misses. I think he was 1-8 from behind the arc yesterday. Can someone explain why GM allows this? Please correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this a major bone of contention for him in Year 1 with Jiri Hubalek? Is having a post firing threes a featured part of GM's system? If so, I can certainly stomach it as long as CB is the guy taking the shot. I don't understand green lighting JVB however...

Listen to GMacs postgame --- that is what JVB and Petey and Eik and Lucca and .... are SUPPOSED to do. GMac knew the middle was going to be packed tight and we're a jump-shooting team so we take the shot thats open and his shots were open. We had lots of open looks yesterday and if we just shoot our average we're right there.

 

[ISUFan22]

Correct. When JVB was recruited, GMac wanted him because he could shoot the 3.

Big men that can shoot the three are valuable because the defender has to either leave him open or commit to stopping the three, leaving a huge void in the middle...

Vanderbeken is a better 3 point shooter than Craig.

Thread over. Well, it should be...

 

[Cloned4Life]

Jamie might be the best set 3pt shooter on the team... (and no I don't have stats to back that up, just what I hear)

I don't mind him taking 5-8 3's a game. He'll do better than 2 of 8 more often than not.

 

[price26]

We were still at Hilton a good 30 minutes after the game ended waiting for traffic to clear and JVB came out after the game and was shooting.

If JVB gets open looks like he had he should take them. As long as he doesn't start forcing up threes and gets a good set look the shot should go up. He played well on defense yesterday as well.

 

[baller1]

it looks like he has gotten stronger since the season started too

 

[CycloneErik]

No problem with it here, as long as they can hit it. I think JVB's shooting yesterday played a big role in some of Craig's scoring. Well, that and Craig's steady refusal to be stopped.

 

[Ficklone02]

Bigs that can shoot the trey are invaluable. Gives us lots of options, and makes us more difficult to defend. High pick and pops are almost impossible to defend with a good point and a big that can shoot. Plus we have CB in the post which gives us another option at the same time.....only problem being, our execution has been lacking.