Who is "you guys" and when did they say that?
Big10 - Pac12 - ACC Merger
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Who is "you guys" and when did they say that?
You do understand that the ACC Network TV rights are owned by ESPN through 2036. Disney/ESPN has already collected the ACC brand.
Not knowing the nature of the ESPN/ACC Network deal, I don't know if either party has an out prior to 2036. But most likely ESPN is going to need to bring the ACC deal closer to whatever 2025 $ that the BIG10 and SEC receive. So I don't think this alliance in ANY way is about hurting or hindering ESPN's future plans.
IMO agreement as a scheduling alliance is not significant news. Heck there is already a BIG10/ACC & Big12/SEC challenge in hoops. Maybe we just see something similar in FB.
In the end, a scheduling alliance doesn't solve the ACC or PAC12 media rights issues when compared to the Big10 or SEC.
This is all about letting the SEC know, they may be at the mercy of those 3 conferences in determining the playoff structure. How many teams, bids per conference, payout structure, inclusion of G5 bids, etc.
And more so, maybe the message is being sent to OU and Texas, that how they handled this was backhanded and not in the best interest of college football. And they will be in a 16 team conference that might get 2-3 playoff bids.
IMO this alliance's impact can be significant, but not earth shattering.
It would be earth shattering if the ACC schools would tear up their GOR. Forcing ESPN back to the table to enrich the ACC Network deal or allow a true alliance between Pac12, ACC and BIG10 to create their own CFB league and evenly split TV money.
Yes and no. This hypothesis comes with the assumption that there is no one who wants to watch those teams, but around 100m people watched the remaining 8 Big 12 schools last year. To claim they won't add anything is as hyperbolic as claiming they're worth everything. Neither are true.
There are basically three types of schools in the Autonomy Five or Power Five or even Power Six at the moment:
Blue Bloods: These are the big brands that have won multiple national championships over the past 50 years. Their ranking in this group is more aligned with "what have you done for me lately" and Alabama and Ohio State are the two biggest currently. Just like the Dow Jones companies, being a member of this club isn't guaranteed just because you had it once. Your power wanes when you don't win, but your tide also rises all boats when you are successful. When at their best they'll average between 2.5-8m viewers per game, not every so often....every game. Probably less than 5% of the P5 is in this group. They're the anchors of every conference.
Fodder: These schools are the Washington Generals of college football. They may have success from time to time, but usually come from smaller schools who don't have a giant alumni base or who lack the institutional drive to invest in the sport. If you want to find these schools, look at who isn't on TV, or who doesn't spend money on football. The audience for this group tends to be 1m or less on average and only spikes when playing a blue blood. Quick guess, about 20% of the P5 fall into this group.
The Rest: This group could probably be fractured easily, but I don't feel like writing all day. However it is a diverse group of schools, some of which may be considered, "New Blood" if they've had success over the past decade and it could be sustained and some are just solid regional brands who play consistently. Generally speaking these are larger schools, however, who pack their own audience of fans excited to watch their team play. They usually average between 1-3m viewers per game, which is sustained when they play each other. Success factors in greatly with this group.
Everyone is worth something. Only a very, very select group is worth everything. If that group is gone, the question becomes how can you package together "The Rest" with what you have to boost all numbers.
I think the most depressing part of this is the thought of being left out of the P5 scenario, yet watching like 30 other schools from the other leagues belong just because they have always been there.
vandy, indiana, oregon state, arkansas, etc....
vandy, indiana, oregon state, arkansas, etc....
I am assuming that game will go away with the non-con full of PAC12/ACC games for Iowa.
Pretty sure that is how BYU/Cincy/UCF fans feel and no one cares. Colleges Football has sold it’s soul. This will eventually destroy it, but Iowa State will be long past relegated by that time.
I agree on that - we have the fan base and academic profile that belongs in a P5 league.
Trouble is we and others made our bed, by trying to desperately appease Texas ten years ago - and calling those schools who had their fill of them "traitors" - and now it's backfired.
Common? I don't know a single Iowa fan who seriously thinks ND is joining the B1G at any point in the near future.
I caught myself thinking this way also today.
Cincy a preseason top 10 football team and nobody cares. everyone in the P5 kind of says "too bad so sad''
what they have going for them this year is they play Indiana which is decent this year and Notre dame.. they will have an opportunity to make some noise, but on a normal year and with all these potential alliances, teams like Cincy (and potentially us) will not be able to schedule good non conference games to make up for the lack of league play.
LOL, no they don’t. Thankfully they are smarter than the idiots on here and Twidiot sports “media” and have an elementary understanding of how TV works.
Regular season Network/ESPN games for ISU that did not include Texas and Oklahoma were viewed by only 19% fewer people than Absolute blue blood USC. And for the record USC had only one “after dark” kickoff in the east coast. Those ISU games drew only 14% fewer viewers than Oregon’s network/ESPN games. Oregon had no late east coast kickoffs.
But sure, Fox isn’t going to add any value to a TV contract if ISU and OSU would be added, even though it adds a bunch of games that would be some of the leagues most viewed games.
But I guess viewers don’t matter. Would be interesting for people to explain how the cost of an ad spot is determined.
Somebody cue Bluto's big speech. The agony and depression in this thread is hysterical.
The Pac 12 along with the Big 10 will be renegotiating their media deals in 2023/24, it would not make sense to expand the leagues before they get those rights finished. I am sure both leagues are looking at the raw numbers from both standing pat and expanding and how it effects their upcoming TV deal.
The “rest of the Big XII” is already destroyed. It’s not a survivable entity as it currently exists. It’s like your neighborhood mall without the anchor stores.
Bowlsby’s efforts at the moment are more posturing, positioning to make sure that OU and UT pay their exit fees to the remaining eight. I mean, for crying out loud, the guy is 69, he was about to retire anyway. However long the conference holds together, this is his last job. He’s the Captain of the Titanic.
Just a thought. Kinda seems to me almost like ESPN is trying to salvage the remaining schools. Not very competently, but salvage nonetheless.
they actually downsized when they were experiencing historical success under leach.
Ignore him. Nebraska can do no wrong in his eyes
